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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 8:53 am 
Anonymous wrote:
just filling in a tender for bus routes

"drivers to be suitably trained and assist with wheelchair passengers"

where do you get your info from pal? the bar at the local?


Someone is trying to make a point or ask aquestion so why the make a snide remark such as "where do you get your info from pal? the bar at the local" You are such a retard.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 11:31 am 
HE WAS NOT ASKING A QUESTION BUT MAKING A STATEMENT, AN INACCURATE ONE.

and his point cut right against the law, the disability discrimination act.

nowthen pal, lets cut the crap, and go forward on truth.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 2:02 pm 
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Here we have low entry buses and raised kerb bus stops to help the disabled, but drivers WILL NOT assist.


I suspect those drivers have been told by their unions that they shouldn't help on their own.

As the ambulance unions have told their members.

It's only mugs like us, that are prepared to knacker our backs on our own. :(

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:53 am 
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HE WAS NOT ASKING A QUESTION BUT MAKING A STATEMENT, AN INACCURATE ONE.

and his point cut right against the law, the disability discrimination act.

nowthen pal, lets cut the crap, and go forward on truth.


Yes I was asking a question read the thread you moron !


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:00 am 
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Anonymous wrote:
HE WAS NOT ASKING A QUESTION BUT MAKING A STATEMENT, AN INACCURATE ONE.

and his point cut right against the law, the disability discrimination act.

nowthen pal, lets cut the crap, and go forward on truth.


Yes I was asking a question read the thread you moron !


ok lets start again.

why dont bus drivers help wheelchair passengers?

they do!

now your question was accusing and was inaccurate, but it served on this anti union forum to bash the unions and you have the nerve to call me a moron?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:29 am 
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every so often I read debates that disgusts me, this is one of them.

funny how we should not help disabled cos if we get injured we are not covered, yet we lift suitcases that are heavy, we will carry drunks and the like.

red if you are not covered by insurance to do you job, get some that does, but dont bleat about not helping disabled people.

your licensing authority is a disgrace and I found your writings offensive

please be a little proffessional


Why it is that whenever we have a chat about the disabled, out comes the pious amongst us?

If the bloke values his back, is that wrong?

If he asks a question, is that wrong?

There are jobs that I wont do in a million years, and if I don't do them, then I don't expect anyone else to. But if they do, I take my hat off to them.

As for the video, I expect the council has shown that to cover it's own back, should anything happen.

But please, for those who wish to be part of the PC, tree hugging brigade, can you do it elsewhere.



sussex.
like other trades you can do the job or you cant through lack of fitness.

if you lack fitness then dont go to work.

its fairly simple


If he isn't fit enough to do the wheelchair jobs, then surely the DDA applies to him as a disabled person, who should be treated equally and not discriminated against just because he cant lift a wheelchair without injury?

You cant have your cake and eat it too.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:42 am 
well yes you can!
the job spec, you can do it or you cannot do it its that simple.

dda is about sections of out community getting access to service.


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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
HE WAS NOT ASKING A QUESTION BUT MAKING A STATEMENT, AN INACCURATE ONE.

and his point cut right against the law, the disability discrimination act.

nowthen pal, lets cut the crap, and go forward on truth.


Yes I was asking a question read the thread you moron !


ok lets start again.

why dont bus drivers help wheelchair passengers?

they do!

now your question was accusing and was inaccurate, but it served on this anti union forum to bash the unions and you have the nerve to call me a moron?


So one Mr Anon, is having a pop at another Mr Anon.

As clear as mud. :?

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 Post subject: Wheelchair protocol
PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:07 am 
What protocol.
The way you lads are discussing these issues on this site,regarding the conveying of the wheelchair fraternity,is sensible and true.
But,discuss these issues at a disability meeting or council chambers and we would be classed as a discriminator.
If an able bodied person,had an accident and say broke a leg,he or she
would require a spouse or friend to help with the shopping,on the bus,into a taxi etc.
The vast majority of wheelchair users,that I know,do not have a carer
or a spouse helping them when going out.
One of the writers is correct,go to the door,help on with coats,put out the cat,turn off the fire,I can go on and on,but you get the drift.
We are not carers or social workers,we are cabbies and the sooner the
councils realise this,the better.
I was off work due to an injury caused by a wheelchair,compensation ?
you are joking.
Have not got an answer to all the questions regarding the conveying of
wheelchair customers,but sometimes I feel that as an operator,the cards
are stacked against us.
We complain,typical taxi driver!,no consideration,we ask for the customer
to take a carer with them,cannot afford that!.
Well lads just have to get on with it.
Take care,DOOOOOOBLO MAN.


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 Post subject: Re: Wheelchair protocol
PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:53 pm 
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Have not got an answer to all the questions regarding the conveying of
wheelchair customers,but sometimes I feel that as an operator,the cards
are stacked against us.


I thought I addressed that.

My insurance covers me for anything I do (legally) in my normal business, against third party claims. They don't cover my back.

But you can get medical cover, for a price, but I'm not that ofay with it.

But if you choose not to do a job, because that particular customer is an elephant on wheels, then don't do it, but be honest with the council as to why.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:30 pm 
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Anonymous wrote:
Sussex Man wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
every so often I read debates that disgusts me, this is one of them.

funny how we should not help disabled cos if we get injured we are not covered, yet we lift suitcases that are heavy, we will carry drunks and the like.

red if you are not covered by insurance to do you job, get some that does, but dont bleat about not helping disabled people.

your licensing authority is a disgrace and I found your writings offensive

please be a little proffessional



Why it is that whenever we have a chat about the disabled, out comes the pious amongst us?

If the bloke values his back, is that wrong?

If he asks a question, is that wrong?

There are jobs that I wont do in a million years, and if I don't do them, then I don't expect anyone else to. But if they do, I take my hat off to them.

As for the video, I expect the council has shown that to cover it's own back, should anything happen.

But please, for those who wish to be part of the PC, tree hugging brigade, can you do it elsewhere.



sussex.
like other trades you can do the job or you cant through lack of fitness.

if you lack fitness then dont go to work.

its fairly simple


If he isn't fit enough to do the wheelchair jobs, then surely the DDA applies to him as a disabled person, who should be treated equally and not discriminated against just because he cant lift a wheelchair without injury?

You cant have your cake and eat it too.


We have drivers in our manor who drive WAV'S and when people come to them in wheelchairs the drivers say, sorry I can't put you in I've got a slipped disc :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: It happened last night, I was trap 2 a WAV was trap 1, the driver got out and said I've got a bad back I can't take you, this young girl in the wheelchair wasn't big she was the opposite. She came to me and said can you take me?? I said of course what's the matter with that driver? The girl in the wheelchair said she's got a bad back. :shock: :shock: I said will you be OK getting in here?? Yes no problem she said, just put my chair at the side of the car and I can slide across on to the passenger seat, I folded her chair up and put it in the boot, where you going to love I asked? Sheffield please she said :D :D :D £35 thank you very much, when I got there she gave me £40 she asked me for my mobile number because she goes every Friday night to her mothers. Same old story these people want the plates but won't work them to their full advantage.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:00 pm 
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I must admit where one is in a mixed fleet (ie. not compulsory WAVs) then it is a nonsense for a WAV driver not to be fit enough to handle a wheelchair. If he/she is driving a WAV from choice, then they should acept wheelchairs or get themselves a saloon plate.

My problem is where all WAVs are compulsory, and in those circumstances a requirement that all drivers were capable and fit enough to handle all wheelchairs will simply put people out of work.

Sadly, I have also noticed that the DDA legislation is also starting to create a reaction of hatred against the disabled, because of the nonsense of its enforcement and handling in some areas.

Luckily, where I live we dont have a problem, but I have noticed a few problems emerging in one of our adjacent areas, which, quite frankly, could develop into something quite serious.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:42 pm 
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Luckily, where I live we dont have a problem, but I have noticed a few problems emerging in one of our adjacent areas, which, quite frankly, could develop into something quite serious.


Come on then Andy spill the beans 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) Just been on the phone to one of our operators who runs a fleet of WAV'S and told him the full SP, he's jumping on board with us to get his sorted regarding the drivers refusing to take wheelchairs because of bad backs. :roll: :roll: :roll:


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Nidge wrote:
Same old story these people want the plates but won't work them to their full advantage.


If the lad was lying, then you (and the customer) should report him.

It's got nothing to do with HC plates, if it was, then I would have one. :wink:

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Well Nidge, I have seen em just pulling off the ranks when wheelchair jobs come up. They dont refuse them technically, but say they have a radio job or prior booking and stuff like that. All manner of excuses.

There has been stuff in the paper about em though. Not specifically stating that, but telling a story of a wheelchair customer who waited at the station for 6 hours. The station staff say they couldnt get a wheelchair cab within 50 miles (which is a downright lie - as they didn't ever ring us and we are less than 50 miles away). But the situation is plain when you talk to em. No-one will buy a WAV. They say they are going to be forced too soon what with the new legislation. I can see their point from one angle, as I cant see a need for them ALL to be WAVs. They reckon it will destroy the cab trade and give it all to the PH.

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