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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:36 pm 
My case, and that of my fellow drivers, is strong enough to force through the re-regulation of licenced vehicle numbers in our own borough.

Furthermore we are requesting the council look to introduce a limit on the number of P/H vehicles.

This is after concern over drivers working a dangerous ammount of hours in any particular shift, which in turn, is a threat to public safety.

You state your council is gutless, yet its strong enough to deflect your approaches, it seems, quite easily. This would suggest a weak argument from your side as , I repeat your quote," Many councils are gutless, many LOs are more concerned with an easy life, rather than a just licensing system."
Maybe its time you started making their lives a little harder, with the backing of your fellow drivers, of which you claim they constitute the majority, I'm sure you will have no problems.

Unless, and more likely, your arguments cannot be properly substanciated or be made to be within the publics best interest.

I needn't answer your most recent request as I already have within this thread.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:02 pm 
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Furthermore we are requesting the council look to introduce a limit on the number of P/H vehicles.

This is after concern over drivers working a dangerous ammount of hours in any particular shift, which in turn, is a threat to public safety.


How will you go about that?

What will you do about Stretch Limos?

What will you do about Chauffeur vehicles?

How will you access PH demand, in your area?

What will you do about the trading of PH plates?

How will restricting PH vehicle numbers, stop drivers working too many hours?

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You state your council is gutless, yet its strong enough to deflect your approaches, it seems, quite easily.


No, anyone who deals with local government will know that the status quo is always the preferred solution.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:06 pm 
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How will you go about that?


By using a public safety argument primerily, then equality with a restricted H/C trade.


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Unless, and more likely, your arguments cannot be properly substanciated or be made to be within the publics best interest.


I believe quotas to be abhorrant, because they are discriminatory.

Now why do you think quotas are fair and reasonable? :?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:10 pm 
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I believe quotas to be abhorrant, because they are discriminatory.

Now why do you think quotas are fair and reasonable? :?


My opinion is of no consequence when it comes to your area SM.

The questions should really be raised with your local council and not with some bloke who has no local knowledge. You and your council know your area best, and therefore what provision needs to be made.

Go and ask them the same question first thing on Monday morning, then report their answer on here. Then, and only then will we be able to properly comment.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:12 pm 
Sussex Man wrote:
[What will you do about Stretch Limos?

What will you do about Chauffeur vehicles?


Make them licence properly as a passenger carrying vehicle, exactly the same as you.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:13 pm 
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How will you access PH demand, in your area?


The same way as they assess everything else, have an investigation.


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Make them licence properly as a passenger carrying vehicle, exactly the same as you.


But they wont be able to, because if you had your way, there would be a limit. :shock:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:14 pm 
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What will you do about the trading of PH plates?


NO plates should be traded, everyone of them H/C and P/H should be non-transferable


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The same way as they assess everything else, have an investigation.


We all know that a PH vehicle from anywhere, can pick up from anywhere.

So are you saying we assess the whole country each time? :shock:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:20 pm 
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How will restricting PH vehicle numbers, stop drivers working too many hours?


Most offices in the UK (well a sinifigant number) adopt an "open office" policy in that drivers choose what hours they work.

Most drivers in the UK (well a sinifigant number) set monetry targets for each shift they work, when they have their money they go home.

The European Working time Directive should be applied to the trade soon and this will lead to ALL drivers having to choose which shifts they work, fewer cars mean more flexibility, fewer drivers = fewer vehicles, fewer of both of them = higher hourly rate as more cars work the busy shifts and fewer work the quieter ones.

SM no wonder your council take no notice of you, you need to be asking better questions.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:22 pm 
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The same way as they assess everything else, have an investigation.


We all know that a PH vehicle from anywhere, can pick up from anywhere.

So are you saying we assess the whole country each time? :shock:


But the booking must be made through an operator, just like a person must walk to a rank.

This is nothing but good training for your appeal, on this occasion I will not send you a bill.


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NO plates should be traded, everyone of them H/C and P/H should be non-transferable


And how would you go about that?

Scotland has a law that says plates shouldn't be transferred.

But if you want, I can, for a price, get you an Edinburgh or Glasgow plate. :(

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:18 pm 
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I think you will find that it is only the London branch which seeks to keep its single tier system, other areas recognise the partnership between Hackney and Private Hire and wish to see that policy remain.


So the national framework for taxis by the T&G is incorrect, as is Mr Bravermans article in taxitalk?


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