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I can't believe that someone who has had an opportunity to secure his own future ................... but sold it for £40k ................. could rally any kind of real support for his quest to get another.

Also there seems to be no condemnation for the fact that the person who he sold the plate to has enslaved himself to the bank for a considerable time while he repays the money he had borrowed to line Skulls pocket.

I see the activities of Skull as far worse than that of the so called plate barons ................. who regardless of what people think .................. deliver a service which is acceptable to the vast majority of jockies, most of whom I believe wouldn't want their own vehicles (and the responsibilities that come with vehicle ownership) anyway.

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Would you believe it? :roll: The blog host said there were a number of complaints about the site content.

Well TBH I thought it was a very honest appraisal of the current Edinburgh situation. :D

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These websites are powerful things.

Oh yes. :wink:

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.... which is acceptable to the vast majority of jockies, most of whom I believe wouldn't want their own vehicles (and the responsibilities that come with vehicle ownership) anyway.

B. Lucky :D


If this is the case why are you so worried?

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.... which is acceptable to the vast majority of jockies, most of whom I believe wouldn't want their own vehicles (and the responsibilities that come with vehicle ownership) anyway.

B. Lucky :D


If this is the case why are you so worried?


Exploitation Mr gusmac comes in many forms.

I don't know why you would suggest I would be worried, or claim that I was ...................... I'm simply pointing out that one of the so-called or self professed champions of the "workers" in Edinburgh has had an opportunity to secure his own future YET chose to sell that security in the same way as the people he spends so much time ridiculing.

If he were a real champion he would have GIVEN his plate to the person who had waited the longest for it ................. but to sell it for the full market value? ..................... does it not make you question the ethic behind this mans crusade.

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Just for you GA, I sold my plate over 5 years ago. At that time the price was around 25K. Drivers had plenty work with rentals at about £100 less than what they are now. I might also point out the Ph were about 500 fewer as well. In that time there has been no increase in hacks.

BTW, it's the Council and the trade reps that make the system what it is today not me. And just like every system it is open to challenge. If anyone is exploiting people its those above.

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If he were a real champion he would have GIVEN his plate to the person who had waited the longest for it ................. but to sell it for the full market value? ..................... does it not make you question the ethic behind this mans crusade.

B. Lucky :D

Have you considered that he may have had to buy it in the first place, and recouped his outlay?
Or perhaps he did just cash in.
Either way, whatever his reasons, whether you agree with them or not, it does not detract from his arguement.
If the Edinburgh jockies would rather hire a cab then they will continue to do so, regardless.
If they would prefer the choice of their own cab, they could do that too.
At least it would be their choice. Not someone else's

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When I got my plate there was no incorporation or transferability.


The fact is, I played by the rules of the system, their system. I didn't exploit anyone. Their system allowed plates to be transferred for money. With their approval I might add. This didn't mean I believed in it.

The only one being exploited is the driver, because without him their is no 50K plate value. I would never pay 50k for a plate but I would challenge the council in court to get one. It is they who have corrupted the whole thing not me. And it is my right to challenge it through the courts if necessary. If their house is in order they have nothing to worry about.

My bet their house will never be in order because they are the ones turning people into slaves.

This whole scam is of the councils making. :wink:

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Here's another one GA. No plates have went on for over 5 years and in that time plate "values" have doubled to over 50k - this means 2 drivers and one owner for every taxi. Now tell me how the councillors and the trade reps are looking after the drivers? What will plate values be when that figure reaches 3 drivers to every one owner - 100K perhaps?

It's a scam GA plain and simple. This is about buying into a labour pool.

I don't doubt for a minute that money is changing hands behind the scenes to keep this going in the direction they want.

Edinburgh has the fastest growing economy of any City in Europe but still no demand for extra taxis? You have got to be having a laugh. The Ph alone have increased by over 300%.



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If the guy I sold to sells out now he will make himself 25k more than I did. That's if he sells before the crash. Now why the feck would I want to reimburse him for what he paid me? All he has to do is find an idiot to buy it. Of course GA you would have him handing his plate to someone for nothing.
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I've tried answering your question without saying things like "You are one thick c*nt" but it's very hard. You are not the sharpest knife in the box are you GA? :roll:

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To easily you resort to personal insult ................. the facts remain as I stated ................. you have benefited from the system and are aggravated only because you can't do it again.

As far as the allegations about Edinburgh Council are concerned I believe there is almost certainly cause to substantiate your argument ............... my belief is that the right people should be driving the right number of HC, and from what I have read on this subject I have little doubt that the right number of vehicles are not available.

I just find it strange that your quest seems to be aimed at getting you, and your supporters who are on this list a plate .................... but you don't seem to want deregulation ..................... is this because you want the plate you get for free to actually be worth something if you chose to do what you have done before and sell it without even using it.

I can understand the deregulation mob but I can't understand why, other than those that will benefit, anyone would believe that what your arguing for is worthy of any support at all.

B. Lucky :D

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GA wrote:
To easily you resort to personal insult ................. the facts remain as I stated ................. you have benefited from the system and are aggravated only because you can't do it again.

As far as the allegations about Edinburgh Council are concerned I believe there is almost certainly cause to substantiate your argument ............... my belief is that the right people should be driving the right number of HC, and from what I have read on this subject I have little doubt that the right number of vehicles are not available.

I just find it strange that your quest seems to be aimed at getting you, and your supporters who are on this list a plate .................... but you don't seem to want deregulation ..................... is this because you want the plate you get for free to actually be worth something if you chose to do what you have done before and sell it without even using it.

I can understand the deregulation mob but I can't understand why, other than those that will benefit, anyone would believe that what your arguing for is worthy of any support at all.

B. Lucky :D


How many times does it have to be said?

"Delimitation", the "London Model", and then everyone can own or driver without paying artificial rentals or plate values. The market in plates is purely artificial and created by those who would deny qualified drivers a choice.

Drivers are struggling to get jobs GA; does this mean anything to you?

Rentals are at an all time high along with plate premiums, still nothing?


Buses, Taxi – buses, Rickshaws, Private Hire all expanding to meet customers’ needs but no hacks for over 5 years in Europe’s top economy, and you GA can’t see the problem?

Has it ever occurred to you that we might just be right?

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Back online boys

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To easily you resort to personal insult ................. the facts remain as I stated ................. you have benefited from the system and are aggravated only because you can't do it again.

As far as the allegations about Edinburgh Council are concerned I believe there is almost certainly cause to substantiate your argument ............... my belief is that the right people should be driving the right number of HC, and from what I have read on this subject I have little doubt that the right number of vehicles are not available.

I just find it strange that your quest seems to be aimed at getting you, and your supporters who are on this list a plate .................... but you don't seem to want deregulation ..................... is this because you want the plate you get for free to actually be worth something if you chose to do what you have done before and sell it without even using it.

I can understand the deregulation mob but I can't understand why, other than those that will benefit, anyone would believe that what your arguing for is worthy of any support at all.

B. Lucky :D


How many times does it have to be said?

"Delimitation", the "London Model", and then everyone can own or driver without paying artificial rentals or plate values. The market in plates is purely artificial and created by those who would deny qualified drivers a choice.

Drivers are struggling to get jobs GA; does this mean anything to you?

Rentals are at an all time high along with plate premiums, still nothing?


Buses, Taxi – buses, Rickshaws, Private Hire all expanding to meet customers’ needs but no hacks for over 5 years in Europe’s top economy, and you GA can’t see the problem?

Has it ever occurred to you that we might just be right?


Ah right so the quest for plates is not restricted to ONLY those on the list?

You seem to be under some illusion that everyone who wants to drive a taxi in London is able to do so .................. I'm sure Mr GBC would agree that the effort and time required to obtain a drivers badge in London restricts as many (if not more) people from entering the trade as plate values do outside OUR capital city.

The point about numbers is not being questioned, by me, but the fact remains that deregulation of numbers will decrease driver earnings to a level below what a driver could expect even after paying what you believe to be "artificial" plate rentals.

You obviously don't understand what my statement "the right people driving the right amount of vehicles" actually means ..................... but there again you only believe that anyone against deregulation who warns of the downfalls based upon actual experiences is somehow less entitled to voice their opinion than you ...................... so you dismiss them and attack.

I thought I saw your name on a loaf of bread the other day .................... but then I realised that it actually said Thick Cut.

B. Lucky :D

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To easily you resort to personal insult ................. the facts remain as I stated ................. you have benefited from the system and are aggravated only because you can't do it again.

As far as the allegations about Edinburgh Council are concerned I believe there is almost certainly cause to substantiate your argument ............... my belief is that the right people should be driving the right number of HC, and from what I have read on this subject I have little doubt that the right number of vehicles are not available.

I just find it strange that your quest seems to be aimed at getting you, and your supporters who are on this list a plate .................... but you don't seem to want deregulation ..................... is this because you want the plate you get for free to actually be worth something if you chose to do what you have done before and sell it without even using it.

I can understand the deregulation mob but I can't understand why, other than those that will benefit, anyone would believe that what your arguing for is worthy of any support at all.

B. Lucky :D


How many times does it have to be said?

"Delimitation", the "London Model", and then everyone can own or driver without paying artificial rentals or plate values. The market in plates is purely artificial and created by those who would deny qualified drivers a choice.

Drivers are struggling to get jobs GA; does this mean anything to you?

Rentals are at an all time high along with plate premiums, still nothing?


Buses, Taxi – buses, Rickshaws, Private Hire all expanding to meet customers’ needs but no hacks for over 5 years in Europe’s top economy, and you GA can’t see the problem?

Has it ever occurred to you that we might just be right?


Ah right so the quest for plates is not restricted to ONLY those on the list?

You seem to be under some illusion that everyone who wants to drive a taxi in London is able to do so .................. I'm sure Mr GBC would agree that the effort and time required to obtain a drivers badge in London restricts as many (if not more) people from entering the trade as plate values do outside OUR capital city.

The point about numbers is not being questioned, by me, but the fact remains that deregulation of numbers will decrease driver earnings to a level below what a driver could expect even after paying what you believe to be "artificial" plate rentals.

You obviously don't understand what my statement "the right people driving the right amount of vehicles" actually means ..................... but there again you only believe that anyone against deregulation who warns of the downfalls based upon actual experiences is somehow less entitled to voice their opinion than you ...................... so you dismiss them and attack.

I thought I saw your name on a loaf of bread the other day .................... but then I realised that it actually said Thick Cut.

B. Lucky :D



The London Model is based on quality control. You pass the test you have the choice...end of.

The same rules apply to all concerned. The market finds its own level. The value is in the driver and not the plate. The greater the monetary incentive to pass "the knowledge" the more drivers and taxis.


BTW GA, how you ever got elected to a committee is beyond me. Perhaps it was your pathological need to accept what anyone in authority tells you to accept.
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