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There were many arguments that could have been put forward to support the view that the smoking ban is bad but Bart chose to use those particular arguments. This is why any argument against laws falls down. If you are going to raise objections at least use some examples of laws that haven't worked and not the ones that have.


The foxhunting set have been taking the p*ss out of that ban since it came in. :shock:

Heroin, Cocaine, and other drugs have been banned for longer than any of us can remember.
This hasn't stopped the explosion in their use in recent years or saved the countless young lives destroyed by them. :cry:
If anything it makes them more daring and glamourous to our impressionable kids and young people. :?

Alcohol is supposed to be banned for under 18's. Yet our streets and public places (and many licenced premises) are filled at weekends with "kids on the p*ss" :x

Hand guns have been banned since Dunblane.
Gun crime is higher now than ever. :cry: :x

I don't advocate legalising any of these things.
You asked for examples of laws which didn't work.

Also you never answered my questions
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Thousands die on our roads each year grandad. Should they ban driving next?
Drink kills thousands annually, and causes untold misey and suffering. Should they outlaw alchohol?

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There are laws out there to help prevent people dying on the roads. They are just not enforced rigorously enough and when people are caught, the courts do not deal with them hard enough. I am not saying that it is easy to ensure that some one who is banned from driving does not get behind the wheel again but what punishment is there available if they do? If you get done for having no insurance, usually because it was to expensive, what is the answer? increase the cost of insurance even more?????????
The law regarding drinking has never been enforced. It has been an offence to serve alcohol to some one who is drunk for years but how many bar staff and publicans have ever been prosecuted for this? It has also been an offence to sell alcohol to under 18s and cigarettes to under 16s but shop keepers think more of their profits than the law.
We are a nation of law breakers and then we complain when new ones are brought in.
Riding a motorcycle without a helmet is not likely to kill anyone but the person concerned but what about the people that have to clean up the mess. Don't they deserve to be spared the harrowing ordeal. Not wearing your seatbelt may not kill anyone else unless they happen to be sitting in front of you in the car.
I would not dream of telling anyone to stop smoking. They still have that choice but smoking does harm other people and the government have tried for years to try to get people to take responsibility for their actions volunterilly but this has not worked which is why we are now being told not to do it.

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Hi Grandad a couple of questions for you DO YOU SMOKE??? DO YOU DRINK?? The reason i ask is this, basicly if the government can now demand that smokers stop smoking then surely they can demand we stop drinking too, afterall to use your example the government are always asking us to cut down on our drink too, so is this going to be next on the hit list, I have no doubt you probably drink, even if its moderately!! Personally i dont smoke and i rarely drink so neither would bother me, however i will always defend peoples rights not to be treated like second class citizens and not be dictated too in such a manner that i personally find offensive to our human rights.

Solution to problem Advise all public service people that if they wish to allow smokers then have a seperate enclosed room or facility for them but if they choose to have an outside shack then so be it, this imo would stop this debate almost in its tracks and surely please a lot of the poulation, but this would be too sensible for our government!!!!

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The government are not telling people that they can't smoke they are just making sure that non smokers do not have to suffer because of it.

I don't smoke and I drink in moderation.

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grandad wrote:
The government are not telling people that they can't smoke they are just making sure that non smokers do not have to suffer because of it.

I don't smoke and I drink in moderation.


Tell me grandad, if you went to your local and all you could drink inside were soft drinks, would you be happy if you were told to stand outside just cos you wanted a quiet pint and natter with your mates? or would you take umbridge and go elsewhere?
Now picture this: everywhere is the same story. You have to stand outside or shut up and put up with it.
Do you then just go home, forget your mates and enjoy the company of the very people you went to the pub to get a break from? Let the powers that be deprive you of the little pleasures that make life bearable? or do you toe the line, order a coke, put up with being dictated to and convince yourself its all for the greater good?

These are the choices we smokers in Scotland were stuck with 15 months ago and the same ones being imposed in England today.
When they close your local because its not making money, as has happened to countless pubs up here, remember this day. You wanted it and you got it.

And before you all say it

NOBODY HAS EVER PROVED THAT ANYONE DIED FROM PASSIVE SMOKING.

It may well do, but there is no proof.
There are lots of lies, distortions, unsubstatiated rumour and half-assed opinions passed off as proof, but no proper proof.
NOT A SINGLE CASE where they can say with certainty that anyone died because they breathed in second hand smoke.
(not even Roy Castle)
Believe it or not lung cancer killed before Walter Raleigh and will still be killing long after tobacco has gone.
I wander what they will blame then?

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I don't hate smokers, I just hate dead smokers being dead. :sad:

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No Smoking in either the front or rear of mine. Never has been, never will be.

In fact the interior must be up at least Euro6 standard.


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No Smoking in either the front or rear of mine. Never has been, never will be.

In fact the interior must be up at least Euro6 standard.


No problem, GBC.
If that's your choice, I would respect it and so should everyone else.

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gusmac wrote:
GBC wrote:
No Smoking in either the front or rear of mine. Never has been, never will be.

In fact the interior must be up at least Euro6 standard.


No problem, GBC.
If that's your choice, I would respect it and so should everyone else.



CHOICE!!!!! A word this government does not understand!!!!


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GBC wrote:
No Smoking in either the front or rear of mine. Never has been, never will be.

In fact the interior must be up at least Euro6 standard.


No problem, GBC.
If that's your choice, I would respect it and so should everyone else.



CHOICE!!!!! A word this government does not understand!!!!


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grandad wrote:
The government are not telling people that they can't smoke they are just making sure that non smokers do not have to suffer because of it.

I don't smoke and I drink in moderation.


Tell me grandad, if you went to your local and all you could drink inside were soft drinks, would you be happy if you were told to stand outside just cos you wanted a quiet pint and natter with your mates? or would you take umbridge and go elsewhere?
Now picture this: everywhere is the same story. You have to stand outside or shut up and put up with it.
Do you then just go home, forget your mates and enjoy the company of the very people you went to the pub to get a break from? Let the powers that be deprive you of the little pleasures that make life bearable? or do you toe the line, order a coke, put up with being dictated to and convince yourself its all for the greater good?

These are the choices we smokers in Scotland were stuck with 15 months ago and the same ones being imposed in England today.
When they close your local because its not making money, as has happened to countless pubs up here, remember this day. You wanted it and you got it.

And before you all say it

NOBODY HAS EVER PROVED THAT ANYONE DIED FROM PASSIVE SMOKING.

It may well do, but there is no proof.
There are lots of lies, distortions, unsubstatiated rumour and half-assed opinions passed off as proof, but no proper proof.
NOT A SINGLE CASE where they can say with certainty that anyone died because they breathed in second hand smoke.
(not even Roy Castle)
Believe it or not lung cancer killed before Walter Raleigh and will still be killing long after tobacco has gone.
I wander what they will blame then?


Last shift I worked I spotted five pubs with for sale signs. Not the trendy city centre types with the smog inhaling fashion show outside of an evening. No, they were your local average working class boozers.

Imagine that. The Labour party closing down working class boozers? Of course, now they're pandering to middle class, pseudo intellectual chattering class types they can afford to dispense with the votes from a few working class types can't they?

Incidentally, the funny thing is that three months before the smoking ban a pub landlord, the Black Swan in leith, went into the press telling us all how it was such a good idea, he hated smokers and his pub was going smokefree three months before the ban, that's how much he supported it.

His is one of the five pubs closed waiting for a numpty to try to make it work without smokers littering the pub. How I laugh.

Now we turn to ID cards, which will limit our liberties even more. Imagine, another liberty restricting measure from Labour.

Well the asshole who tried to blow up Glasgow Airport on Saturday was no less than a Junior Doctor in a local hospital. He works here. He's been registered with the GMC since 2005. What part of his identity did we not know about? How would an expensive ID card system have prevented the Glasgow attempt?

Of course it wouldn't. ID cards will not make us safer. They were never meant to. It's just a Labour wheeze to bring about the totalitarianism that was highlighted in 1984. What Orwell intended as a warning, Tony Bliar read as a recipe.

Remeber the Glasgow attempt was foiled by security measures and surveillance by the police. Expensive measures all. This is where the money wasted on ID cards should be spent. This would help to make us safer.

And, if we finally resolved the 7 day war that's lasted 40 years, the debacle of Palestine and Israeli occupuation, then perhaps the fertile breeding ground for Islamic extremists would be curtailed.

Bliar and Bush are largely responsible for the increase in extremists. They gave fuel to their cause through their interventionist and expansionist foreign policies.

We need to sort this out soonest.

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CHOICE!!!!! A word this government does not understand!!!!

Folks had a choice when they voted them in.

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CHOICE!!!!! A word this government does not understand!!!!

Folks had a choice when they voted them in.


Indeed but we were sucked in by their false promises :sad:

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Indeed but we were sucked in by their false promises :sad:

What three times? :?

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went to work last night in my PHV, and smoked in it, got in the hackney i am using at the moment and yes smoked in it between jobs, my PHV is still plated up but not using it at the moment.
Went to work to do my part time job driving a truck today and yes i smoked in that to. and i will tomorrow as well.
i will let you know when i get caught doing it. if and when i do.
Stuff the law.

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