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First one in court is going to have to produce it.[/quote]

Hi fella if you were reading you would have found out that a case has already been to court, however i will admit its not clear as yet as to why the case was dismissed, im guessing that the forms may have been produced then!!

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Well maybe that's the difference between the taxi/PH trade and the limo trade.

I don't let competition get in the way of customer safety.

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Maybe you dont Sussex but as with our trade the taxi/ph trade certainly do have their fair share of people who will do exactly that!!!! I would provide links but i think you get the jist of my post fella

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Hmm must agree with you there Sussex, why would the driver need a PSV licence if the vehicle itself or its operation is not psv.

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And I have been informed that Mr S6 Conversion specialist. is the legislation officer for the ELA. so we have the legislation officers for both the Trade associations both operating this very dodgy system, and the limo industry wonders why they are not held in a very good light.
Spives and blagards come to mind.

As I see it with this schedule 6 lark, the company supplying the limo is within the law. If the driver is independently sourced, as the limo companies claim, and is accepting payment in any way then the driver is breaking the law. He can no more do hire and reward with this limo than he could with a minibus he hired from Avis. So is anyone else involved in procuring his services, including the hirer if he makes separate arrangements. All are parties to a conspiracy. (I don't believe ignorance of the law is a defence).
No insurance will insure you to commit an illegal act, so any insurance carried will be invalid.
I'm sure some will disagree. I'll just put on my bulletproof vest

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Im sorry NO TIPS but you have been advised wrongly as Mr schedule 6 is NOT a legislation officer of the ELA, this person resigned some couple of months ago so your sources are once again wrong

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Sorry A Class, you are incorrect, you do not need a psv licence to drive any vehicle that is not covered by a PSV operators licence and is not being used for hire & reward. You are mixing and matching to suit your needs.

If a company wants to send 16 of its employees in a minibus from Avis/Hertz/Joe Bloogs van hire and pay the staff INCLUDING the driver, H&R does not exist and you do not need a psv to drive it.

If in your example you believe he does need a PSV then since 11th April 2007 he would also be subject to EC drivers regs. His normal job would count towards this as would any normal job time under the Working time directive. Therefore if this supposed hire happened at the weekend he would almost certainly be breaking the law.

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If he had said it was an insurance condition that would make it understandable (although this was not stated by AClass). There are many charities (such as mencap) who rely on voluteer drivers and they too insist that experienced drivers only for the larger vehicles I.E. psv or lgv and usually experienced 7 tonners and/or Ambulance staff etc.

So in summary am I correct in thinking that from a legal point of view a psv licence is not required but from an insurance point of view it is a necessity

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Fair point Tulsa but to be honest its one i cant answer as i dont operate schedule 6 but i would hope that someone who does, could indeed answer this point

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Sounds like a clever way to make sure the guy hiring a self drive doesn't drive it himself. They may as well insist on a motorcycle licence. It's not a motorbike either.

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Must agree Alex, come on lads, this is an interesting discussion and perhaps if more thought was given to correct terminology and less to personal insults we might all learn something and have a better understanding of the stance (rightly or wrongly) some are taking.

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If Mr S6 conversion specialist is who you think he is you should also know that he doesn't operate limousines of any size. he is a conversion specialist.

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Well I'm pleased he is, and pleased he has come on TDO to put his points across.

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The vehicle is one thing, the operation of it is another.

I'm very much of the opinion both vehicles and drivers need to be licensed, but I'm 150% certain the operator needs a license.

Thankfully the government is very open to change laws or make scams illegal very swiftly if need be. The very late amendments to the Road Safety Act being a prime example.

So I have no doubt even if this shedule 6 lark is shown to be legal, and I can't see that happening when properly tested, the gov would outlaw it.

Cos even this government seem to care more about customers safety than the so-called good guys driving the hummers.

Roll on 'type approval'.

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