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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 2:10 pm 
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In an earlier article Mr Jenners family said they had lost a "gentle giant"


I'm sure we have all had experiences with so called "gentle giants", who turn into the scum of the earth when drinking.

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There has been many reports in the papers regarding this incident ,and Luke's name has been mentioned often , his trial date has been set for October not September but still it grows near, this week he had to appear before a committee of councillors with regard as to whether or not he would keep his licence, I'm happy to say that after they had viewed copies of all witness statements they came to the conclusion that they would have no No concerns about him carrying any of their own families or any other person in Sefton.

The results of the second autopsy was slightly different from the first , the examiner in question stated that instead of saying he died of asphyxiation he would of described it as ( restraint asphyxiation)..

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this week he had to appear before a committee of councillors with regard as to whether or not he would keep his licence, I'm happy to say that after they had viewed copies of all witness statements they came to the conclusion that they would have no No concerns about him carrying any of their own families or any other person in Sefton.

I'm pleased he has got through that particular hurdle, but who the hell do the council think they are? [-X

Just say he got turned down and that was made common knowledge, what impression would that have on the jury that he will be before in the next few weeks? [-(

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this week he had to appear before a committee of councillors with regard as to whether or not he would keep his licence, I'm happy to say that after they had viewed copies of all witness statements they came to the conclusion that they would have no No concerns about him carrying any of their own families or any other person in Sefton.

I'm pleased he has got through that particular hurdle, but who the hell do the council think they are? [-X

Just say he got turned down and that was made common knowledge, what impression would that have on the jury that he will be before in the next few weeks? [-(

Are you forgetting that the law has recently been changed

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Are you forgetting that the law has recently been changed

I don't doubt the council has the right to ban anyone they see fit, but they don't have a right to pre-judge a manslaughter charge.

Not impressed with your council and your LO, and not impressed with the chap's legal team for allowing this. :sad:

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If you remember Brian Rawlings in his magazine expressed concerns regarding the changing of the law and how councils would react, a council has a statutory obligation to insure that the person they Licence is a fit and proper person( in other words not a raving lunatic) so if they know that somebody has committed a murder, should they allow him to keep driving until after his court case, it has often been said that they should do something now...... it's a case of their damned if they do or damned if they don't.... eusasmiles.zip

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so if they know that somebody has committed a murder, should they allow him to keep driving until after his court case, it has often been said that they should do something now...... it's a case of their damned if they do or damned if they don't.... eusasmiles.zip

IMO they aren't fit to decide what time it is, it should be down to the court if he drives or not via his bail application. :wink:

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Sussex wrote:
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Are you forgetting that the law has recently been changed

I don't doubt the council has the right to ban anyone they see fit, but they don't have a right to pre-judge a manslaughter charge.

Not impressed with your council and your LO, and not impressed with the chap's legal team for allowing this. :sad:


I do not think for one minute that his legal team would have known what he did. and at the same time I do not think a court would place any relevance either way, the courts by you must work in a different way to the one's by me... no wonder there are so many appeals....

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Sussex wrote:
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so if they know that somebody has committed a murder, should they allow him to keep driving until after his court case, it has often been said that they should do something now...... it's a case of their damned if they do or damned if they don't.... eusasmiles.zip

IMO they aren't fit to decide what time it is, it should be down to the court if he drives or not via his bail application. :wink:


I take it that you are not in favour of democracy, or the rules and regulations that come with this, and the funny thing is they are the very thing that protects you.

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IMO they aren't fit to decide what time it is, it should be down to the court if he drives or not via his bail application.


Sussex is right, if the court considered him a danger he wouldn't have been given bail.
They could have placed a condition on his bail saying he wasn't allowed to cab but they didn't.
Fortunately the council took a sensible approach, but should they have had a say at all?

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IMO they aren't fit to decide what time it is, it should be down to the court if he drives or not via his bail application.


Sussex is right, if the court considered him a danger he wouldn't have been given bail.
They could have placed a condition on his bail saying he wasn't allowed to cab but they didn't.
Fortunately the council took a sensible approach, but should they have had a say at all?


It was not fortunately that the council took the sensible approach, it was because the trade associations had worked with the council in formulating a course of action that would be taken in just such a case, each case must be judged separately, a great deal of the trade throughout England has very little dialogue with the council's, usually through apathy, that is not the case in Sefton, you are issued a licence under certain conditions and if those conditioned are broken than the council has the right and duty to revoke your licence,

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I take it that you are not in favour of democracy, or the rules and regulations that come with this, and the funny thing is they are the very thing that protects you.

The council hearing should have happened after the trial, nothing should deflect from that.

Now I'm pleased the chap has kept his job, but if he had lost it then that would have influenced any jury.

TBH I can't believe I'm having this discussion. :sad:

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Sussex wrote:
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I take it that you are not in favour of democracy, or the rules and regulations that come with this, and the funny thing is they are the very thing that protects you.

The council hearing should have happened after the trial, nothing should deflect from that.

Now I'm pleased the chap has kept his job, but if he had lost it then that would have influenced any jury.

TBH I can't believe I'm having this discussion. :sad:

Sussex it is simply a debate on one person's opinion against another, we are not a war with each other and at the end of the day it will only be words. :wink:

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I take it that you are not in favour of democracy, or the rules and regulations that come with this, and the funny thing is they are the very thing that protects you.

The council hearing should have happened after the trial, nothing should deflect from that.

Now I'm pleased the chap has kept his job, but if he had lost it then that would have influenced any jury.

TBH I can't believe I'm having this discussion. :sad:


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Sussex it is simply a debate on one person's opinion against another, we are not a war with each other and at the end of the day it will only be words. :wink:

Mr T how could I ever be cross with you, but IMO your council should be charged with 'perverting the course of justice'. :wink:

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