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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 7:38 pm 
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So you acknowledge that the system sucks then and acknowledge you dont want us licensed in the taxi/ph trade as its not best for you or indeed us, so what and how exactly do you want us fookin well licensed as, now you can see why us limo ops have been banging our heads against a brick wall!!!!!!

If the limo trade can only work illegally then it shouldn't work.

I can't see how anyone can defend illegal activities. :shock:


This is just it though Sussex, the limo trade dont have to work illegally, i refer to the under 8's here, as you well know there is resricted o license for these ops and in my honest opinion any under 8 op who chooses not to go down this route is really rather stupid or has something to hide, i personally can never understand why they use a legal loophole such as a 7 day contract when there clearly is a VOSA way of operating fully licensed using the restricted O license. Surely its easier to just get licensed via VOSA or is it the question on the sheet that says have you a criminal record that frightens em off, who knows but i guess im only trying to point out that for under 8's its really cut and dry at present, as for defending illegal activities, again i say no-one has proved that the correct system is illegal as YET, the moment they do i WILL stop supporting those that use it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

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I hope that the people who think it is illegal will do the same when it is proven to be legal.
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And pigs might fly mate as these lot will never accept they are wrong even if case proved bites them on the ar-se :lol:

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Grandad there is another meeting of minds scheduled for this month, licensing officers, Association's that represent both hackney and private hire and unions, and the idea is to jointly put forward changes, I don't believe anybody from the limo associations has expressed an interest, I can certainly put you in torch.



Hmm did,nt i say that i was attending one of these not 2 nights ago ?????

Was,nt i told by people who have,nt yet been to one that what i was saying about WAVs was untrue. ????

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Grandad there is another meeting of minds scheduled for this month, licensing officers, Association's that represent both hackney and private hire and unions, and the idea is to jointly put forward changes, I don't believe anybody from the limo associations has expressed an interest, I can certainly put you in torch.



Hmm did,nt i say that i was attending one of these not 2 nights ago ?????

Was,nt i told by people who have,nt yet been to one that what i was saying about WAVs was untrue. ????

You,ll see!

Well feel free to elaborate , I'm sure it will be fascinating when you tell all, such as who was present, and who they represented

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I hope that the people who think it is illegal will do the same when it is proven to be legal.
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And pigs might fly mate as these lot will never accept they are wrong even if case proved bites them on the ar-se :lol:

In the unlikely event of the self-drive scam being proved legal, I will gladly hold up my hands and say great.

Then I will make dam sure, with the help of a few others, that the gov make it illegal. :wink:

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Was,nt i told by people who have,nt yet been to one that what i was saying about WAVs was untrue. ????

If you are saying that the UK will have a 100% WAV taxi fleet, within say the next 50 years, then that's completely untrue.

Your naivety is showing, it wont happen, cos MPs like being MPs. :wink:

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Sussex, the real problem is that there are not enough wheelchair accessible vehicles in your part of the country, so really it is your fault, you should go out tomorrow and purchase one. really it needs to change the law that private hire fleets should at least have 50 per cent wheelchair accessible vehicles on them.

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TBH I don't have a problem with a 100% WAV taxi fleet.

It's just there are a lot of folks driving cabs, and a lot of punters using cabs, that don't.

And they have loud voices.

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In Southport they are approximately 96 Hackney's of which 16 are wheelchair accessible and the rest saloon vehicles, it is a place with a lot of retirement homes, and the elderly much prefer saloon vehicles.

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Sussex, the real problem is that there are not enough wheelchair accessible vehicles in your part of the country, so really it is your fault, you should go out tomorrow and purchase one. really it needs to change the law that private hire fleets should at least have 50 per cent wheelchair accessible vehicles on them.


I suppose if there are not enough wavs in that part of the country then there are not enough saloon hackneys in your part of the country?

Hasn't the EU transport club for the want of a better word just come up with the reccomendation that hackney carriage supply should consist of a mixed fleet and that it is their recomendation for all EU countries to follow?

So whos going to get the saloons on Merseyside when the minister finally gets his act together and bows to the wisdom of the EU?

I think the missing ingredient in this debate is the fact that outside of the UK nearly every cab driver drives a saloon type vehicle and it is we who are in the minority in respect of all purpose built vehicles being WAVs?

It is no wonder that the EU came up with the solution that LTI type vehicles are the exeption rather than the rule.

So any bright spark from the limo fraternity who thinks the wav situation in the UK is a formality, better think again.

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JD. you do know I was only being flippant, and maybe just a touch childish, it is a Liverpool thing, if the law were to change and councils were made to give the drivers the option of a mixed fleet I am sure many would prefer saloon vehicles, I am also sure that many would rather have the safety of a purpose-built taxi, out of all the drivers that have been killed I think it is only one that was killed in a purpose built vehicle, and he was shot, safety comes at a cost.

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JD. you do know I was only being flippant, and maybe just a touch childish, it is a Liverpool thing, if the law were to change and councils were made to give the drivers the option of a mixed fleet I am sure many would prefer saloon vehicles, I am also sure that many would rather have the safety of a purpose-built taxi, out of all the drivers that have been killed I think it is only one that was killed in a purpose built vehicle, and he was shot, safety comes at a cost.


I thought you were being deadly serious, lol it just goes to show that i'm not that perceptive to some of your more adroit comments?

In respect of WAV provison I think the longer the uncertainty went on the greater the prospect of a compromise. We are all aware that the EU came up with that compromise and it is significant as far as I'm concerned that the UK Government welcomed it.

Skippy is forever reminding us of the EU decision so we should all be aware of what it entails, if anyone isn't aware then I'm sure skippy will once again post the links.

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so really it is your fault, you should go out tomorrow and purchase one. :lol: :lol:

JD. after 36 years in the private hire and cab trade I can assure you, you really do need a sense of humour. :wink:

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If 8 or under go for vosa and it is the fully legal way to go for limos then why are vosa attaching these conditions to Restricted O Licence applications for Limo Operators?

New Condition: a) Each stretched limousine to be used under the licence must
have a V5, and the operator must possess and produce when asked to do so a
document confirming this.
(b) Each stretched limousine will receive every 10 weeks a full safety inspection
in premises suitable for the type of vehicle.
(c) At no time will a stretched limousine carry more than 8 passengers.
(d) The operator will at all relevant times comply with legislation in respect of
charging separate fares, and retain for at least 12 months evidence of this
compliance on each journey.
(e) Drivers of stretched limousines will carry with them documentary evidence
that separate fares have been charged for the current journey.
(f) In using stretched limousines, the operator will comply with s2 and s6 of the
1985 Act in regard to local service registration.
(g) The operator will advise my office of the type and registration numbers of
vehicles to be used under the licence, and will advise of any changes s20 (3) of
the 1981 Act
. Attached to Licence.

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so really it is your fault, you should go out tomorrow and purchase one. :lol: :lol:

JD. after 36 years in the private hire and cab trade I can assure you, you really do need a sense of humour. :wink:


lol are you suggesting I lost my sense of humour along the way, or that I never had one to begin with? lol

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