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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:09 pm 
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captain sensible wrote:
If 8 or under go for vosa and it is the fully legal way to go for limos then why are vosa attaching these conditions to Restricted O Licence applications for Limo Operators?

New Condition: a) Each stretched limousine to be used under the licence must
have a V5, and the operator must possess and produce when asked to do so a
document confirming this.
(b) Each stretched limousine will receive every 10 weeks a full safety inspection
in premises suitable for the type of vehicle.
(c) At no time will a stretched limousine carry more than 8 passengers.
(d) The operator will at all relevant times comply with legislation in respect of
charging separate fares, and retain for at least 12 months evidence of this
compliance on each journey.
(e) Drivers of stretched limousines will carry with them documentary evidence
that separate fares have been charged for the current journey.
(f) In using stretched limousines, the operator will comply with s2 and s6 of the
1985 Act in regard to local service registration.
(g) The operator will advise my office of the type and registration numbers of
vehicles to be used under the licence, and will advise of any changes s20 (3) of
the 1981 Act
. Attached to Licence.


What is your point? I am not sure what you are trying to say.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:37 pm 
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As you know the O Licence system is not designed as an alternative to licencing with a local authority.

Some limo ops are licencing with vosa and they think they can then do private hire.

These conditions are being added because vosa suspect what is happening. They don't need to add these conditions because they apply anyway but I think many limo ops are not sure of the rules.

I was at a prom recently and limo ops were telling me they are going the vosa route because of the problems of having a badged driver if they go the council route of licencing. I asked them about the 15 mile rule and not one of them knew about it. Maybe it doesn't apply anymore, you tell me.

I am pretty sure that you know what these conditions are grandad and vosa must be planning to follow up on them.

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captain sensible wrote:
As you know the O Licence system is not designed as an alternative to licencing with a local authority.

Some limo ops are licencing with vosa and they think they can then do private hire.

These conditions are being added because vosa suspect what is happening. They don't need to add these conditions because they apply anyway but I think many limo ops are not sure of the rules.

I was at a prom recently and limo ops were telling me they are going the vosa route because of the problems of having a badged driver if they go the council route of licencing. I asked them about the 15 mile rule and not one of them knew about it. Maybe it doesn't apply anymore, you tell me.

I am pretty sure that you know what these conditions are grandad and vosa must be planning to follow up on them.


Thank you for clearing that point up for me. I am aware of the restrictions that are in place when using this system and like you say some operators aren't. I agree that this should not be used when the LA will license but unfortunatly some people can't be doing with the driver registration thing, usually because drivers don't stay very long. This is not something that I condone. I have been saying at various limousine association meetings that although it is not needed that all drivers should get a badge from the LA even if the limo is operated on this system.
I personally think that this would be a good way to start.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 10:37 am 
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So you acknowledge that the system sucks then and acknowledge you dont want us licensed in the taxi/ph trade as its not best for you or indeed us, so what and how exactly do you want us fookin well licensed as, now you can see why us limo ops have been banging our heads against a brick wall!!!!!!

If the limo trade can only work illegally then it shouldn't work.

I can't see how anyone can defend illegal activities. :shock:


Well it is a good job Nelson Mandella didn't think the same way as you
or Mrs Pankhurst
or the men from Jarrow etc etc,

sometimes it needs to be done and it would appear that most (not all) have ensured insurance cover is in place. There is good and bad in all trades and as far as I can see they are trying to force the "authorites" to do something about the problem. limos have a niche (the public want them)

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Sussex wrote:
TBH I don't have a problem with a 100% WAV taxi fleet.

It's just there are a lot of folks driving cabs, and a lot of punters using cabs, that don't.

And they have loud voices.


there are more using/driving buses but look what happened there!!

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In Southport they are approximately 96 Hackney's of which 16 are wheelchair accessible and the rest saloon vehicles, it is a place with a lot of retirement homes, and the elderly much prefer saloon vehicles.


Once again in the case of buses, the elderly liked the older design as there was a seat or seats just inside, now they have to walk nearly half the length of the bus to find a seat, nobody took their views into consideration.

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Tulsablue wrote:
Sussex wrote:
kermit2482 wrote:
So you acknowledge that the system sucks then and acknowledge you dont want us licensed in the taxi/ph trade as its not best for you or indeed us, so what and how exactly do you want us fookin well licensed as, now you can see why us limo ops have been banging our heads against a brick wall!!!!!!

If the limo trade can only work illegally then it shouldn't work.

I can't see how anyone can defend illegal activities. :shock:


Well it is a good job Nelson Mandella didn't think the same way as you
or Mrs Pankhurst
or the men from Jarrow etc etc,

sometimes it needs to be done and it would appear that most (not all) have ensured insurance cover is in place. There is good and bad in all trades and as far as I can see they are trying to force the "authorites" to do something about the problem. limos have a niche (the public want them)


My sentiments exactly :D

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Tulsablue wrote:
Well it is a good job Nelson Mandella didn't think the same way as you
or Mrs Pankhurst
or the men from Jarrow etc etc,


Well if you equate the right to run a 16-seater limo with that lot then it's no wonder the issue has created so much discussion. :?

No wonder we live in such an anarchic country - if you don't like the law then ignore it and cite Mandela, Pankhurst et al.

And you forgot Ghandi :lol:


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limos have a niche (the public want them)


Yes, the course of human history would have been entirely different if we hadn't had 16-seater limos :roll:

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captain sensible wrote:
They don't need to add these conditions because they apply anyway but I think many limo ops are not sure of the rules.

And the winner of the 2007 'Understatement of the Year' goes to Captain Sensible. =D>

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Tulsablue wrote:
Well it is a good job Nelson Mandella didn't think the same way as you
or Mrs Pankhurst
or the men from Jarrow etc etc,

Not sure I would compare the Limo scamters with the likes of above. :?

But isn't it a good idea in 2007 to adhere to the law of the land?

Or do we all want a bit of chaos instead? :?

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kermit2482 wrote:
My sentiments exactly :D

What breaking the law? :?

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Sussex wrote:
kermit2482 wrote:
My sentiments exactly :D

What breaking the law? :?


Dont be so wet, you know exactly what we are getting at :D

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Tulsablue wrote:
Once again in the case of buses, the elderly liked the older design as there was a seat or seats just inside, now they have to walk nearly half the length of the bus to find a seat, nobody took their views into consideration.
There is a difference between not liking some thing and not being able to get into something. Many elderly people physically cannot get into a WAV. That is not the case with these buses.

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IF YOUR NOT LICENSED, DON'T TRADE.

IT'S HARDLY ROCKET SCIENCE NOW IS IT.

What gives you the right to trade within the hire and reward industry unlicensed?

Criminals, the lot of you that are trading unlicensed. END OF.

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Uncle Buck wrote:
IF YOUR NOT LICENSED, DON'T TRADE.

IT'S HARDLY ROCKET SCIENCE NOW IS IT.

What gives you the right to trade within the hire and reward industry unlicensed?

Criminals, the lot of you that are trading unlicensed. END OF.


Then you get the odd one that says "but my council won't licence me"

WELL TUFF, FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO DO.

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