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From what I've read and heard over the years the more grief a council gets from sections of the trade the more chance they will de-limit.

Three examples spring to mind, Kelly in Wirral, 203020 in Dundee and Cummings in Cardiff. Now without them their council wouldn't have de-limited IMO.

Although the chap in Cardiff didn't want it, but IMO his actions caused it. :D


Quite right, I wish I'd have thought of that.

Councillors are human beings, so they would have us believe and I suppose they react to circumstance. They were certainly presented with a few circumstances in each of the cases you mention.

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Not sure about the "Councillors are human beings" bit :-k


I'll have to think about that one :-s

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So why did Part II disappear :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:
Skull/Taylor being offensive again :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
I thought this was the home of free speech - it must have been good stuff :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Found my own answer over in the admin section :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Skull had potentially defamed someone and TDO quite rightly got a wee bit worried. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Shame all the other interesting stuff about the Salteri's motives for selling and the morals or not of that got lost too :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink: :wink:

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Shame all the other interesting stuff about the Salteri's motives for selling and the morals or not of that got lost too


If my memory serves me well didn't someone make allegations against Mr and Mrs Salteri, that could not be substantiated?

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That they sold the plate on without actually operating it themselves is a fact :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Prove me wrong by telling me they now operate two plates between them or indeed who operates the two plates :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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So why did Part II disappear :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

Did you answer the plate selling question? :?

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So why did Part II disappear :?: :?: :?: :?: :?:

Did you answer the plate selling question? :?


What was the question - it disappeared before I saw it :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

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That they sold the plate on without actually operating it themselves is a fact


You make a statement without producing any facts? What’s the plate number and in whose name is it licensed? Do you know for a fact that Mrs Salteri has no business interest in the license and how do you know?

The bottom line is, "what business is it of yours"?

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Prove me wrong by telling me they now operate two plates between them or indeed who operates the two plates


It is not my place to prove you wrong because I haven't made a judgment call on the issue, it is you who seems to have a problem with the private life of Mrs Salteri.

You made the accusation, therefore you should provide the evidence to support it. Isn't that reasonable?

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So are you suggesting Edinburgh council is the system and every time they receive a license application they should be allowed to ignore the law that underpins the system?.


the system in edinburgh is run by the council JD

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Thats a very novel way of saying people in restricted areas shouldn't apply for licenses and even more sinister that they shouldn't challenge an unlawful decision..


no i did not say that JD if you look back you will find i have always said that everyone should have the right 2 have there own plate and taxi so dont try and twist what i said

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I hope you never ever have cause to come up against a system of the type you advocate? .


i fight the system every time i think its wrong JD have a look
http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1402702007
they tried to close my kids school so i fought the good fight and we won.

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I think you don't like the idea of these applicants being afforded the same opportunity as every other license holder but you are entitled to hold that opinion and seeing as how opinion nearly always stimulates debate then we welcome it.


wrong again they should have the right. my point is quite simple.
it has been said that its wrong for plates to have a £40-50 price tag and thats why the fight was on against the system (or EDC if you like) to change it. now you get your plate and sell it on tell me is that right when you stand against the whole issue of plate sales and as for debate i welcome it as well


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Look chipper, I don’t struggle with the moral argument. If you want to buy in that’s fine by me. If you want to sell then that’s fine by me also. You pay your money and it’s your choice. The more money, the more choices, it’s that simple and it's their rules. If you have a problem then speaks to the authorities.


the problem i have skull is not with the authorities its with someone fighting for change and winning then doing a u turn and making cash out of it thats just wrong and does the cause no favours at all it just makes it look like they were out for a quick buck and if de reg comes they have left someone with a nightmare to pay off i hope they sleep well and enjoy the cash.

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I know some people who have multiple plates. I also know people who have sold and bought in on more than one occassion. I don’t judge them one way or the other.


i do not judge them either skull i know people who have bought in as well

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I don't see Festival City Cabs having a moral crisis with 50 applications. Or does the moral or ethical issue only apply to the hacks?


trust me when you put 50 cars on your takings go down and thats pure fact.


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the system in edinburgh is run by the council JD

no i did not say that JD if you look back you will find i have always said that everyone should have the right 2 have there own plate and taxi so dont try and twist what i said


Let’s recap what you said.

I am not disputing the fact that Edinburgh is the system I was merely establishing the fact that you consider Edinburgh council to be the system and in order to obtain a license these applicants had to fight the system?

You then say that this is double standards? But from my observations and no doubt the observations of everyone else, that what you are saying is that double standards only come into the equation if the applicants fight and win.

If the applicants fight and lose then there are no double standards. We can therefore conclude that in your opinion it is not the obtaining of the license that you find to be double standards but the selling of it?

So your position is that we have a situation where it is quite moral to apply for a license at any time and fight for it through the courts if you believe the system is wrongfully withholding your license.

I think from your comments we can agree that you believe this is not double standards?

The double standards come into play because licenses are restricted and you feel that anyone obtaining one for free so to speak should not sell it.

That’s a personal moral judgement on your part and goes against every article on personal freedoms in the human rights act.

Perhaps your moral judgement would not be so evident if licenses weren’t restricted.

So the very fact that they are restricted determines the inconsistency of your morals? In my opinion the bottom line as far as your morals go is that it is perfectly acceptable to sell a license obtained from an authority that does not restrict licenses yet is completely immoral to sell a license obtained from an authority that does restrict licenses.

In a nutshell you don’t mind the selling of licenses if they were purchased for money yet you do mind the selling of licenses that were gained legitimately.

I think that about sums it up.

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It's worth remembering that every licence was granted to someone for free (or an acceptable fee). Almost all of them have been sold and sold over again. What the Salteri's have done is no more than hundreds of others have done in the past. The decision to sell may be morally questionable, but it was their right to do so. They may even use the cash to apply for even more plates. They didn't create this market, Edinburgh council did. They are only exploiting it like everyone else.

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It's worth remembering that every licence was granted to someone for free (or an acceptable fee). Almost all of them have been sold and sold over again. What the Salteri's have done is no more than hundreds of others have done in the past. The decision to sell may be morally questionable, but it was their right to do so. They may even use the cash to apply for even more plates. They didn't create this market, Edinburgh council did. They are only exploiting it like everyone else.


Very well put.

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That they sold the plate on without actually operating it themselves is a fact


You make a statement without producing any facts? What’s the plate number and in whose name is it licensed? Do you know for a fact that Mrs Salteri has no business interest in the license and how do you know?

The bottom line is, "what business is it of yours"?

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Prove me wrong by telling me they now operate two plates between them or indeed who operates the two plates


It is not my place to prove you wrong because I haven't made a judgement call on the issue, it is you who seems to have a problem with the private life of Mrs Salteri.

You made the accusation, therefore you should provide the evidence to support it. Isn't that reasonable?

JD


You make a statement without producing any facts?

You made the accusation, therefore you should provide the evidence to support it. Isn't that reasonable?


Suddenly evidence and proof are required on this site, yet lowlife like James Barclay Taylor can go about accusing innocent people of all sorts including his vile treatment of an innocent disabled lady, and his word is accepted as fact.
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

If you look about the internet I think you may find that Taylor himself was furious that he wasn't given any acknowledgement for his (and your) assistance in the Mrs Salteri obtaining a plate - even you may also find Skull acknowledges it's no longer hers
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