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1. Very doubtful as all drivers are vetted by agencies.

2.No i would not say self drive goes against the spirit of legislation ie, hire and reward as the 2 are not remotely connected in law if operated to the letter of the law.

3.over familiar relationship ??? why sir you give me far too much credit, what i was told is my business (with all due respect).

4.My id is already posted on here obviously sensorship only applies to the hierarchy. Double standards dont sit well with me im afraid.


Now would you do me the same courtesy i have shown.

1. Why is TDO actively allowing its legal spokesman to openly try and prevent limos being given correct legislation , surely you should be pushing for this if you are all as concerned about dubious characters operating and driving these vehicles .

2. Why is JD,s identity kept so secret ? mine is,nt.

3.Why is it ok for Taxis to circumvent the law by registering in LA,s miles from their base where the Local LO has no juristiction over that particular vehicle. Surely this breaks the spirit of Legislation.

4. Why so much hostility to ppl from the limo industry who come on here to try and liase with the taxi fraternity and possibly learn.
I do not operate limos and the other 2 are or were both licensed yet you tarnish us with the brush of a minority.

So the answer is YES then, rapists and murderers could be driving 'self-drive' limos.



Well my point was about the spirit of the law, not the letter




So that's why you had to splatter it all over here



So where is it then?

No double standards - it was you who was bragging that you weren't worried about people knowing who you were.

And I think you're confusing anonymity with censorship?




What, you mean largely ignore the questions



If you are meaning JD, then I think you're misrepresenting his position, as far as I can make out.

The point is surely not about having limos properly regulated but that you guys jumped the gun and operated the limos before they were properly regulated.

No wonder you're in such a hurry to have legislation passed, but I would gird your loins for a few years yet.



So what is it then?

Anonymity is up to the individual - I have no interest in Grandad's ID, because he hasn't proferred it.



I know, and that's why we've been calling for new legislation long before the limos appeared en masse.

You make it sound like myself and others on here are personally taking advantage of it.

So if the scenario you outline is such a problem, and if you think a few years delay is unfair on the limo trade, then why has the taxi trade been stuck with the legislation for 150 years?



Well here's the lesson for the day - if you don't like the law, operate within it until you get it changed - that's what I do.



Why does it matter? You are supporting the scheme that's being criticised, and indeed you self-evidently profit from it even if you don't operate limos.

Yet you try to tar people like myself in relation to cross border taxi issues when I don't do it and don't support people doing it and would like to see the legislation changed to stop it.

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I was under the impression you were the one failing to understand but I think the readers can work that one out for themselves?



You promise? Can you make it easy for everyone watching too?



You promised to make it easy? However it appears you managed to make a simple hors d'oeuvre into a three course meal.



Bravo quite simple but I'm going to make it even simpler and I don't see any reason why you couldn't have done the same instead of clouding the issue with hypothetical goods haulage and licensed drivers.

If everyone is watching here is what MR S6 actually means.

A = member of the public, “the hirer”.

B = Operator the minibus owner

C = Agency or driver

The hirer phones Mr S6 and asks can they hire his unlicensed limousine minibus for three hours, he says yes and takes the booking, Mr S6 then phones the agency and asks them to supply a driver to drive his unlicensed minibus for a client for approximately three hours. And that’s it, transaction complete.

So Mr S6 takes a three hour booking for 15 passengers for his unlicensed minibus, he then makes provision for a driver to drive his unlicensed vehicle for hire or reward and hey presto the deal is done.

"Illegal" simple as that.

I trust Mr Grandad and Mr Kermit concur with Mr S6 interpretation of the contract relationship? And how about the schedule six operator who showed his face and then mysteriously disappeared, does he also concur?

No wonder you guys like to keep these illegal contracts under lock and key.

And its no wonder you safeguard the names of the persons from VOSA who you say gave their blessing to this idea.

How about you guys furnish us with some names so we can question these officials and get some real facts?

I’m just wondering one thing, whether or not these unlicensed operators have managed to get hire or reward cover for these unlicensed vehicles in their tailor-made insurance contract?

Regards

JD

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I think You're wrong JD , I think the member of the public contacts the agency for the driver, please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Thats not what i said and not how it works as you well know!!!

You are either TWISTING things to suit yourself or you are NOT as bright as you seem.!


Correct



NOT what i said and NOT how it works as you well know!



Company A is the THE HIRER

Is what i said, the hirer calls the agency not the self drive company who are B

As i said before you twist things to suit yourself and thats dishonest JD, lets argue the legalities of how we really operate ie; as above not what you would wish it to be .


I trust when you study your incorrect assumption an apology will be forthcoming

Well I have no problem following this. I have a few questions myself.

1 Does the hirer sign 2 separate contracts, 1 with the operator and 1 with the driver?

2 If so, where are they signed and does he get copies of them?

3 Is there genuinely no relationship between the operator and driver? Or is it a covert relationship of convenience?

4 Is the driver or agency recommended by the operator?

5 Do VOSA or DfT officials share confidential information or have an improper relationship with yourself or others, to your knowledge?

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1.Self drive hire agreement and contract with driver. so 2 separate contracts.

2.Self drive hire would be signed at the bottom of the page and so would be the driver hire contract. Ofcourse the hirer gets copies of both.

3.No relationship, no more than any other agency.

4. NO.

You are quite right and Mr S6 actually said that but he never disclosed the fact that it was him who gave the telephone number of the driver, to the hirer. Therefore it was Mr S6 who acted as agent and he might as well have made the call himself.

Regards

JD

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Shall we dispense with mythical companies and talk in real terms of actualities? We are dealing with fare paying passengers who want to ride in a limo so lets keep it to reality shall we?

When the hirer contacts you to hire one of your vehicles, you tell them they need someone to drive it don't you? Or do you?

The hirer hasn't got a clue what your talking about so you explain and give them a telephone number and inform them that they need to phone Agency C to organise a driver. You tell them that agency C will then phone you back confirming the details.

The problem you have is that unless you simplify matters the public who just want a simple ride in a limo are not going to go through all those hoops just to get one. They want a one stop shop where they can book and have done with it. That is why when you phone one of these firms they don't mention hiring a driver because its inclusive and if they started going through the hoops you set them then they are likely to say forget it.

I think we finally got to where we wanted go in a roundabout a way even though I did have to drag it out of you.

Regards

JD

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The questions have all been answered but you have still changed the answers to suit your take on things. At times you are beyond belief.

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Grandad,

Ok

Perhaps I didn't make this one clear. Are both contracts signed at separate premises and separate times?

Ok

How does Joe Public find his driver?

You seem to have missed this one. I'll ask it again:
5. Do VOSA or DfT officials share confidential information or have an improper relationship with yourself or others, to your knowledge?

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Have they really?

As far as everyone on TDO is concerned Mr S6 never mentioned how the hirers came to be in possession of the contact details of a specific agency or agencies who supply a driver? Perhaps you can show us how he pulled this one out of the hat? Or better still perhaps you can tell us how the hirer gets the details of the agency who supplies the driver, considering you agree with Mr S6?

Ring Ring, Mr Davies here, can I hire a limo for three hours please, (reply) Do you have a PCV license? (Me) What’s that? (reply) Its a licence we require for the hire of a limo. (Me) Ok! Thank you, goodbye.

Or does it go something like this

Ring, Ring, Mr Davies here, can I hire a limo for three hours please, (reply) Do you have a PCV license? (Me) What’s that? (reply) Its a license we require for the hire of a limo. (Me) No I don't have one. (Reply) Well in that case I shall need to put you in touch with an agency that will supply you with a driver who does have the required license.

Let’s not beat about the bush grandad, who gives the agency details to the hirer? Something Mr S6 conveniently and purposely omitted.

Regards

JD

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Not quite. He has answered some questions fully, some evasively and some he has ignored.

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I've got a question for you Mr Gusmac.

You seem to be posting on here most of the day 7 days a week, from early to late.

When do you actually drive a Taxi?

Just wondered?

I work 5 nights a week, since you asked. How about you?

Don't you have WiFi in your manor?

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