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No my point is that you can't post anything on this debate without changing the context of replies or making hypothetical statements.


Such as?

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Around and around we go, where we stop nobody knows :D

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Around and around we go, where we stop nobody knows :D


In the end I think we have got somewhere near to the truth of the matter but no thanks to some?

We've established that there is no element of self drive and that a person wishing to hire one of these vehicles must use a driver from a recognised agency and that the hirer is given the phone number and details of a all recognised agancies by the person letting the vehicle.

It took time but we finally got there in the end and thats the main thing.


However if someone makes an untrue statement then they should be prepared to offer an explanation when asked by the person it was directed at?

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kermit2482 wrote:
Around and around we go, where we stop nobody knows :D


In the end I think we have got somewhere near to the truth of the matter but no thanks to some?

We've established that there is no element of self drive and that a person wishing to hire one of these vehicles must use a driver from a recognised agency and that the hirer is given the phone number and details of a all recognised agancies by the person letting the vehicle.

It took time but we finally got there in the end and thats the main thing.


However if someone makes an untrue statement then they should be prepared to offer an explanation when asked by the person it was directed at?

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Yet again you have changed what has been said. If the person hireing the vehicle can meet the requirements of the insurance company then they can drive the vehicle.

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kermit2482 wrote:
Around and around we go, where we stop nobody knows :D


In the end I think we have got somewhere near to the truth of the matter but no thanks to some?

We've established that there is no element of self drive and that a person wishing to hire one of these vehicles must use a driver from a recognised agency and that the hirer is given the phone number and details of a all recognised agancies by the person letting the vehicle.

It took time but we finally got there in the end and thats the main thing.


However if someone makes an untrue statement then they should be prepared to offer an explanation when asked by the person it was directed at?

Regards

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Yet again you have changed what has been said. If the person hireing the vehicle can meet the requirements of the insurance company then they can drive the vehicle.


No I haven't changed a thing, it is you that has put your own misrepresentation on matters to assist your own cause?

Mr S6 said that he informs the hirers where to obtain a driver didn't he? Well to me that assumes the person applying for the hire is one of the 95% of the public who don't hold a pcv license? On the other hand in the unlikely event that someone with a pcv license happened to hire the vehicle and he went through all the hoops in respect of insurance etc then no doubt the hire wouldn't involve an agency or third party driver and that would be legitimate. However we aren't talking about legal hires we are talking about illegal hires being legal. I've explained the legal constraints about self drive hire and we don't have a problem with that so if you stick to the assumption that we are talking about a situation which involves the hire of a third party driver then we might be a lot better off.

So just for you, the participation of an agency or third party driver does not rear its ugly head if the persons hiring the vehicle also drive it?

Therefore the facts are as stated. You should look back at the definition given by Mr S6 you might realise your mistake.

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Which brings me back to one of the first questions I asked.

Which part of the drivers driving people from A to B for 'reward', in an un-licensed vehicle, is legal? :?

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Cannot agree with you on that score, we answer the phone for a couple of local companies (the use the call divert) when they are out on the road (or in bed if working daft hours). We just simply answer the phone. It does happen quite often that we would give a quote on one phone and within seconds the other phone will ring with the same customer. It oes work better that just leaving the answer phone on which a lot of people do not like. This is based on results of jobs booked.


Fine, but what's that got to do with the s6 scheme being inventive and convoluted?

The point is that the scenario I outlined was merely an artificial contrivance to subvert the law.

The scenario you outlined is a practical business arrangment.

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