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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:50 am 
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I think you have to visulalise this incident and ask yourself how can anyone driving in a responsible manor plough into two people on an isolated stretch of road?

Obviously for these police officers the car chase was more important than the safety of the public.

I suppose fate played a hand in this incident because if there had been no dispute over the taxi fare the accident would not have taken place. However who is to say that an accident would not have taken place at another location considering that the driver of the police vehicle wasn't in control.
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MAN IN POLICE VAN ACCIDENT REMAINS CRITICAL

A 40-year-old man who was seriously injured when he was involved in an accident with a police van in South Yorkshire remains in a critical condition but has shown some signs of improvement, investigators said.


The man was injured, along with his wife, in the early hours of Sunday morning on the A61 near Barnsley.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) said two West Yorkshire Police officers were dealing with a dispute between a taxi driver and his passengers close to Barnsley Golf Course when an unconnected South Yorkshire Police van collided with two of the people in the road.

The van contained two police officers and two passengers and was travelling along the A61 towards Wakefield.

The IPCC said the injured man, who is from Barnsley, had seen a slight improvement in his condition during the past 24 hours but he remains critically ill in the Royal Hallamshire Hospital, Sheffield.

His 36-year-old wife suffered a badly broken leg and injuries to her face. She is being treated in Barnsley District General Hospital.

The two officers in the South Yorkshire Police van and the two West Yorkshire Police officers were treated for shock.

A West Yorkshire Police spokesman said on Sunday that neither of the marked police vehicles were involved in a pursuit at the time.

Nicholas Long, IPCC Commissioner for Yorkshire and Humberside, said: ``Our investigation is at an early stage and we would urge anyone who may have witnessed the incident to come forward and assist our investigation.

``The investigation will be looking at all aspects of the incident to determine exactly what happened. My thoughts are with the man and his wife and I hope they both make a full recovery.''
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The Sheffield Star reported the incident as follows.
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September 18, 2007

Police car crash probed

A MAN aged 40 remains critically ill in hospital today after being hit by a police car in Barnsley.


The Independent Police Complaints Commission is investigating the incident in the early hours of Sunday, in which a 36-year-old woman was also knocked down. Her condition is stable.

West Yorkshire police were dealing with an altercation about a taxi on the A61 Wakefield Road, near Staincross, when the pair were hit by a marked South Yorkshire police car travelling towards Wakefield on unrelated duties.

Two officers were in the vehicle, which was not on an emergency call.
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JD quotes - Obviously for these police officers the car chase was more important than the safety of the public.

The article quotes - A West Yorkshire Police spokesman said on Sunday that neither of the marked police vehicles were involved in a pursuit at the time.

JD - Who is right, lets wait and see and not make rash statements

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JD quotes - Obviously for these police officers the car chase was more important than the safety of the public.

The article quotes - A West Yorkshire Police spokesman said on Sunday that neither of the marked police vehicles were involved in a pursuit at the time.

JD - Who is right, lets wait and see and not make rash statements

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JD quotes - Obviously for these police officers the car chase was more important than the safety of the public.

The article quotes - A West Yorkshire Police spokesman said on Sunday that neither of the marked police vehicles were involved in a pursuit at the time.

JD - Who is right, lets wait and see and not make rash statements


Anyone who mows down two members of the public stood in or near the road is driving without due care and attention as far as I'm concerned. The drivers job status has nothing whatsoever to do with it and I'm prepared to stick my neck out and proportion blame here and now and I'f I'm wrong then I I'll hold my hands up for being hasty but that is my position rightly or wrongly?

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Maybe, but since this looks like a drunken altercation beside an A road and possibly in the dark then who knows what might have happened?

After all, we've all seen fights spill on to the street, and we've no doubt all had near-misses with drunken idiots who suddenly end up in the middle of the road.

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Maybe, but since this looks like a drunken altercation beside an A road and possibly in the dark then who knows what might have happened?

After all, we've all seen fights spill on to the street, and we've no doubt all had near-misses with drunken idiots who suddenly end up in the middle of the road.
I'll second that as one or two tragic situations like that have happened with a couple of my pals :sad:

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Policemen, like any other drivers, owe a duty to the public to drive with due care and attention and without exposing the members of the public to unnecessary danger.

In respect of their civil liability the police are in exactly the same position as any "civilian" driver, and on this occasion they owed the same duty to the public.

The speed at which a vehicle is being driven is without doubt material to the question of liability and negligence? Whether a certain speed will be considered dangerous varies with the nature, conditions and use of the particular highway and the amount of traffic which actually is, or may be expected to be, on it.

The driver of a vehicle should usually drive at a speed that will permit him to stop well within the distance he can see is clear, although it is not conclusive evidence of negligence to exceed that speed.

The question is always one of fact and I am usually one of the first people to suggest that where the facts are not known then we should wait until they are known before we make a judgment? However the highway code and the legal interpretation of negligence and liability offer us some guidance on where to proportion the highest percentage of blame for such accidents. If a driver strikes a person or object without seeing that person or object, he may be placed in the dilemma that either he was not keeping a sufficient look out, or that he was driving too fast having regard to the limited look out that could be kept, for example at "night" or in fog.

Therefore in my opinion the police officer should have been aware of what was taking place on the road directly in front of him and under the circumstances should have slowed down to a speed which was sufficient not to cause an accident.

That is my humble opinion and I can't get away from the fact that regardless of where the couple were standing or what they were doing the driver of any vehicle should have been aware of what was taking place in front of them.

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When a vehicle knocks down a pedestrian one assumes that there has to be a degree of negligence by one of the parties concerned? Under normal circumstances the degree of negligence will range from being 100% negligent or partially negligent? A court will always decide such matters on the evidence of each individual set of circumstances. However we should not lose sight of the fact that the law allows for certain actualities to be deemed negligent based on probabilities, such as the following.

Inference of negligence.

The nature of an accident may be such that the mere happening of it is evidence of negligence.

Examples are where a motor vehicle without apparent cause leaves the highway or overturns, or in fair visibility runs into an obstacle, or is suddenly and violently brought to a standstill, or swerves, or brushes the branches of an overhanging tree. Similarly, it is prima facie evidence of negligence that a vehicle should collide with a street refuge, or endanger pedestrians on the pavement either by mounting it or by overhanging and sweeping across it. A prima facie case of negligence by inference from the circumstances is not displaced merely by proof of skidding unless the skid is shown to have happened without fault on the part of the driver.

A judge is not bound to make a finding one way or the other with regard to the alleged facts but has a third alternative of finding that the party on whom the "burden of proof lies" in relation to an allegation has "failed to discharge that burden".

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In the interest of being fair the appointment of liability in every case of negligence has its own individual considerations of proportionality and here are some examples of how the courts have dealt with such individual cases.
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Apportionment of liability

In Nance v British Columbia Electric Rly Co Ltd1, Lord Simon said that all that is necessary to establish a defence of contributory negligence is to show that the injured party did not, in his or her own interest, take reasonable care of him or herself and contributed, by want of care, to his or her own injury.

Set out below are some cases on duty of care and apportionment of liability in the hopes that they may be of some interest. However the reader is reminded of the dicta of Lord Steyn in Jolley v Sutton London Borough Council—

'First in this corner of the law [contributory negligence] the results of decided cases are inevitably fact sensitive. Both counsel nevertheless at times invited Your Lordships to compare the facts of the present cases with the facts of other decided cases. That is a sterile exercise. Precedent is a valuable stabilising influence in our legal system. But comparing facts and outcomes of cases in this branch of the law is misuse of the only proper use of precedent, viz, to identify the relevant rule to apply to the facts as found.'

In NSP Enterprises v Main Line Group Ltd it was held that motorists must allow themselves more stopping time when driving in bad weather. In Houston v Butler it was held that a driver does not have to slow down just because he or she sees somebody standing at the road side as if to cross, but must keep his or her eye on that person just in case he or she begins to cross. As the defendant had not done the latter he was held 25 per cent responsible for hitting the claimant while she was crossing the road (the claimant, whose blood alcohol concentration was three times the legal limit, was held 75 per cent liable for crossing while it was unsafe to do so). In Barlow v Entwistle the Court of Appeal held that a driver who saw three grown men larking about on the roadside was not under any duty to anticipate that one of them might suddenly run across the road. It is otherwise in the case of children and in such a case there is no contributory negligence, see Blinkhorn v Hall. In Cullen v Coggin it was held that a motorist going through a green light was under no duty to look out for drivers who might go through lights at red. In Cross v Smith the High Court held that there was no contributory negligence by not wearing a seat belt where one is not fitted. In Hockney v DW Bennett & Sons Ltd9 the Court of Appeal upheld the apportionment of blame as follows. The first defendant 25 per cent, the second defendant 15 per cent and the third party 60 per cent. Late at night, the first defendant's employee had, as a result of another accident caused by his negligence, ended up parked, with no lights on his lorry, half on and half over the hard shoulder on a duel carriageway (the A2) at Swanscombe. This accident was seen by the second defendant who slowed down to 25 miles per hour and then pulled out to overtake the lorry but failed to look in his mirror with the result that he collided with the third party who was travelling in the fast lane at 70 miles per hour. The latter had taken no action when he had both seen the accident, was aware of the slow lane being blocked and of the second defendant signalling that he was going into the fast lane. In Richards v Quinton in order to get out of his house and on to the roadway, the claimant had to cross the pavement and a cycle track and had very little vision of those approaching from the left on that path. The appellate court held that he should have stopped half way across the cycle path as well as at its beginning because of the restricted view, but that nevertheless the cyclist was 25 per cent responsible because he should likewise have stopped when he saw the car stationary at the edge of the track. The fact that the cyclist was going against the directions of the arrows on the path was irrelevant as a lot of cyclists did just that.

In Parsons v Murke and Pope the High Court held that a motorist was guilty of negligence if he or she did not follow the advice of the Highway Code and allow sufficient room in case a cyclist suddenly moved in towards the centre of the road (eg because of wind). In Marshall v Lincolnshire Road Car Co the majority of the Court of Appeal (Laws LJ and Jacob J) held that a 'bus driver who opened the doors of his vehicle while it was in motion owed no duty of care to a passenger who then alighted from the moving bus, or alternatively there was a 100 per cent contributory negligence. It is submitted that much more preferable is the dissenting judgment of Kennedy LJ, as after all the doors were fitted in order to prevent passengers from getting off a moving vehicle. In Ailkins v Wjnn and Jones the Court of Appeal held a front-seat passenger who had held an infant in her arms was 20 per cent liable for the injuries suffered by that child in a road accident. She should have been placed in the child seat in the rear of the car. Likewise in Jebson v Ministry of Defence it was held that the defendant owed a duty of care to drunken soldiers who travelled in their lorries, in that case to one who had climbed on to its roof while the vehicle was in motion, although there was also held to be 75 per cent contributory negligence on the part of the defendant.

In Billington v McNamara, the defendant stopped in the inside lane after his van had turned on to a main road. A cyclist did not see the parked unlit trailer until it was too late for her to avoid a collision. The appellate court held the lorry driver to have been negligent in stopping where he did but there was 70 per cent contributory negligence. In Lee v Williams, the appellate court held that a pedestrian or peddle cyclist to be more vulnerable than a car driver, so that it found the latter to have been 60 per cent liable for an accident caused by him turning left and failing to keep a proper lookout, while there was also 40 per cent contributory negligence by the cyclist, who had been riding on the pavement and had crossed the road at a junction where the accident had occurred.

In Baker v Market Harborough Industrial Co-operative Society Ltd, Wallace v Richards (Leicester) Ltd, the Court of Appeal held that where two vehicles collide in the centre of the road, and there were no witnesses who saw and could remember what had happened, then liability should be apportioned 50/50. That judgement was followed in Cook v Hatton. In Cook v Thorne, the claimant was a passenger in a car driven by the second defendant. He had drunk too much and was feeling sick so the driver stopped but left his headlights illuminated. The claimant got out of the car and while being sick in the road, was hit by the first defendant, who was driving an on-coming car, was blinded by the headlights but did not slow down. Court of Appeal held the claimant 30 per cent liable, because he had stood in the road; and as between the two defendants, the first was 70 per cent liable as he should have slowed down once he began to be dazzled and the other defendant was 30 per cent liable for not having dipped his lights once he had stopped his car. In Arnot v Spake the appellate court held that a motor cyclist who had driven too fast so that he could not stop within the distance that was visible was 100 per cent responsible for the collision with a lorry pulling out of a farm track on a left hand bend. He should have travelled at a speed that would allow him to pull up safely if an obstruction in front of him were suddenly to come into view. In NSP v Mainline Ltd it was held that in bad weather a driver should allow more time to stop than in good conditions. Cullens v Coggins held that a driver going through a green traffic light owes no duty of care to look out for motorists who jump the lights and go through on red. In Grealis v Opuni it was held that mere failure to obey the Road Traffic Act (in that case in relation to speed) was not ipso facto negligence.

In Walker v Greenwood as the lights turned to green the defendant overtook a very large stationary lorry which had stopped at the lights and obscured his view of the crossing. He did not slow down and hit the two claimants. The defendant was held liable because the large lorry remaining stationary should have made him wary of the possibility of their being somebody on the crossing. The claims were held to have been guilty of 80 per cent contributory negligence because they had started to cross even though the lights on the pedestrian crossing were against them.

In Cooper v Floor Cleaning Machines Ltd the trial judge did not know whom to believe. There was clearly a collision between the claimant's and the defendant's vehicles, but their accounts of its cause and location varied. The appellate court said that the defendant used the same the route every day and, unless he had made a serious error, he would not have been where the claimant had alleged the accident had occurred. Accordingly his account should have been accepted.

In Greatorex v Greatorex Cazalet J held that a rescuer could only claim for pure psychiatric injury if that had been caused by the physical damage to which he had exposed himself and not merely by what he had seen at the scene of the road accident. Likewise in Fagan v Goodman Turner J held that a motorist who suffered physiological injury through seeing a road accident but which never put her in any physical danger had no cause of action. Her damage was too remote.

In Casey v Carwtright the CA laid down the procedure to be followed if a defendant wished to submit that the low velocity at the time of the collision could not have caused the injury or damage alleged by the claimant.

In Goddard v Greenwood the appeal court held it was negligent to overtake a large stationary lorry at traffic lights which had just turned to green. This was because the vision of the crossing was hidden by the lorry which had not, for some reason such as pedestrians crossing, moved when the lights changed. As the claimant started to cross when the red light was against her, there was 80 per cent contributory negligence. In Grave v Tanner the defendant was in the left had lane of a duel carriageway as she was going round a roundabout. She missed her turning and continued all the way round. She gave no indication of this. A cyclist did not think she was not going to turn off the last exit and cut across causing an accident. The appellate court held each driver 50 per cent liable. Nobody would normally expect a driver to go all the way round a roundabout.

In Rouse v Squires, an articulated lorry skidded and came to a halt, causing it to obstruct the nearside and centre lanes of the northbound carriageway of the M1. The lorry driver admitted negligence and the Court of Appeal held that he was responsible for all accidents caused by the obstruction, subject to contributory negligence by drivers who were going too fast so that they could not stop in time or who were not keeping a proper lookout. The rationale was that but for the lorry's driver's negligence, there would have been no accident.

In Grealis v Opuni a motor cyclist cut a right hand corner and collided with a car going in the opposite direction. The car was travelling at between 37 and 39 mph in a 30 mph speed limit. If he had kept within the speed-limit zone, he probably would have been able to pull up in time and avoid a collision. The trial judge found for the defendant. The CA held that the car driver was under a duty to obey the speed limit and he was liable in damages for not doing so. However, as the cyclist had entered the junction when it was unsafe to do so, he was 80% liable for the accident.

In Farley v Buckley Kay LJ stated:

'Many road traffic accidents involve collisions between two vehicles one of which has turned right from a minor road onto a major road along which the other was proceeding. In the great majority of such cases the driver who comes from the minor road attracts most if not all of the blame. [Here the trial judge] held that, in the particular circumstances of this case, the negligence was entirely that of the claimant in the action, who had been riding his motor scooter along a major road when it collided with the car of the defendant as he turned right out of a minor road. The reason for this was explained by Pill LJ: 'The judge was entitled to regard his conduct in overtaking a slow moving line of traffic at 30 miles an hour on an urban street as 'reckless' and his lack of anticipation as showing a 'serious want of care'. My conclusion does not detract from or diminish the care to be expected from a driver turning right, as Mr Buckley was, in circumstances such as these. Great care is required. The judge's finding that Mr Buckley emerged from the minor road at 'about 5-8 miles per hour' was based on a statement of Mr Nieland, the driver of a refuse wagon, which was not challenged in cross-examination, though contrary to Mr Buckley's evidence. The finding is difficult to reconcile with her finding that Mr Buckley was proceeding 'slowly and cautiously', was 'moving at a slow speed' and moved forward 'only a short distance, if at all' after the collision, and with her overall assessment of Mr Buckley's conduct. This case is not authority for the proposition that emerging from a minor road at 5 to 8 miles an hour, in circumstances such as the present, is generally an acceptable manoeuvre.'

In Galli-Atkinson v Seghal the Court of Appeal held that a mother was within the class of those who could claim damage for psychiatric injury. She was driving to collect her daughter when she came upon an accident on the road and learnt that her daughter had been killed in it.


In Eagle v Chambers1 the Court of Appeal held that it would be rare for a pedestrian injured in a road accident to be held more liable for its causation than the motorist involved, unless the pedestrian had suddenly moved into the path of an on-coming vehicle. The court quoted with approval the dicta of Latham LJ in Lunt v Khelifa2: 'The court has consistently imposed upon the drivers of cars a high burden to reflect the fact that the car is potentially a dangerous weapon.'

It was for that reason in Eagle's Case that the contributory negligence was reduced on appeal from 60 per cent to 40 per cent. There the claimant was in a merry state, walking down the outside lane of a duel carriageway, despite requests for her to walk on the pavement. She was hit by the defendant's car. He accepted that he was the worse for drink (his breath alcohol level being 31 µg). The judge found as a fact that if he had been keeping a proper lookout, he could have avoided the accident.

In Adjei v King the claimant was run over while crossing the road. If either of the parties had been keen keeping a proper look-out, the accident would not have occurred, which led to the judge finding 50 per cent contributory negligence. The Court of Appeal held that motorists have a greater responsibility for road safety and reduced the contributory negligence to 40 per cent. Likewise in Green v Bannister the court dismissed an appeal against the finding of liability by a driver of a car which, while reversing down a narrow street, run over the claimant who was lying drunk in the road. She should have checked her wing mirrors as well as looking over her shoulder. The court said that there was no appeal against apportionment but prima facie a finding of 60 per cent appeared to be too generous to the defendant.

In Keyse v Metropolitan Police Comr5 the Court of Appeal held that drivers of emergency vehicles were entitled to drive their vehicles on the basis that pedestrians would recognize their warning lights and sirens and give them priority by keeping out of their paths.

In Goundry v Hepworth, the defendant appealed against the decision holding her liable in damages to the claimant, who at the age of four had run into the path of a car driven by the defendant. The trial judge's conclusion was that 'some small degree of negligence must attach to the defendant'. He stated that he did not need to assess the degree of that negligence in percentage terms. The facts were that in good light, a group of pedestrians crossed to the white line in the middle of the road and waited for the traffic to pass from their right hand side. Unfortunately, the claimant then ran into the path of the defendant's car. The appeal was allowed. In the words of Hallett LJ:

'What is the duty of an ordinary, prudent motorist . . . on seeing a group of people which includes young children standing in the middle of the road waiting to cross? I am not persuaded that the duty on a motorist in the defendant's situation was to stop and allow the group to cross in front of her, as the learned judge found in the concluding words of his judgment. There was . . . nothing unruly about this group. The group as a whole was standing calmly waiting for the defendant's car to pass. The car in front of her had passed the group safely . . . To place on a motorist . . . a duty to stop and wave the group across is, on the facts of this case, a counsel of perfection. It is imposing too high a duty, even for a motorist driving a potentially lethal weapon.'

In Grealis v Opuni the Court of Appeal held that it was negligent to have exceeded the speed limit, when driving within it would have prevented the accident occurring.

In Puffett v Hayfield, the Court of Appeal held that a judge could find that the defendant was driving at an unsafe speed without having to specify what a safe speed was.

In Deosaran v Barrow3 the Privy Council held that once a judge had found that a motorcyclist was so close to the point of impact with a vehicle executing a u-turn that he could not have avoided the resultant collision, there could be no basis for finding contributory negligence on the part of the cyclist.

In Tomkins v Royal Mail a driver who parked a trailer illegally (1) without lights, (2) facing the wrong way and (3) on a double yellow line, was held to be 35% responsible when the claimant failed to see the trailer and his car went underneath the trailer.

Whittle v Bennett arose out of a serious accident on the A25 which occurred when a Ford Mondeo motorcar driven by the appellant, performed a U-turn from the nearside of the carriageway notwithstanding the presence or near approach of two Vauxhall Nova motor cars, the second of which was driven by the respondent, which had been travelling behind him. The first Nova managed to pass the Mondeo before it had advanced too far into its manoeuvre. The respondent's Nova, however, struck the car at about the midpoint of its offside. The appellant was catastrophically injured and brought his claim on the basis that the respondent was driving too fast and too close to the other Nova. The CA rejected the argument that the defendant was ipso facto negligent because he had been travelling about 8 mph over the limit of 50 mph because even at that latter speed the accident would have occurred.
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That is my humble opinion and I can't get away from the fact that regardless of where the couple were standing or what they were doing the driver of any vehicle should have been aware of what was taking place in front of them.



Well I've often had narrow escapes with people on the road, for example on a dark road with dark clothing or a bike on a dark road without lights, or people suddenly jumping onto the road from nowhere.

Years ago I recall driving along a busy dual carriageway at night, and suddenly came across someone in dark clothing wandering across the carriageway. I managed to avoid him but discovered in the papers the next day that he had been knocked over and killed. Given what I saw I wouldn't blame any driver in the circumstances.

The number of pedestrians who are knocked over and are drunk at the time is huge, and as taxi drivers we all know the reason why that happens. Yet in many if not most cases the driver is blameless, however we never hear it reported that the deceased pedestrian was at fault, presumably due to the sensitivity of the matter.

You may be right about the present case, but without knowing the facts I won't be rushing to judgement. No matter how careful the driver is, they cannot make allowances for every eventuality.

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A while ago I came upon a drunk guy SLEEPING it off in the middle of the northbound carraigeway of the A90 trunk road! I only just had time to stop. Reported it to the cops who came and lifted him. Could have been very nasty. That road is always busy, even at 3am.

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