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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:00 pm 
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edders23 wrote:
According to the bumpf I got from ken livingstone (and yes he has sent it to everyone who has ever paid congestion charge) the charge only applies to minibuses over 8 passengers plus larger vans and lorries so why is he insisting on cabs meeting the standard ?


I read that and wondered as well.

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TBH I think the idea of having better emissions is a very good thing.

But why has Ken decided that the way to do it is through an untested bloody dear system? :sad:


You're surely not suggesting that Livingstone stands to gain personally from his illogical diktat policy, are you?

Surely not. Surely there are no brown envelopes here?

I can't believe that such a paragon of political virtue could possibly do anything to benefit personally from his policies.

Tsk Tsk tsk, for even thinking such.

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jasbar wrote:
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TBH I think the idea of having better emissions is a very good thing.

But why has Ken decided that the way to do it is through an untested bloody dear system? :sad:


You're surely not suggesting that Livingstone stands to gain personally from his illogical diktat policy, are you?

Surely not. Surely there are no brown envelopes here?

I can't believe that such a paragon of political virtue could possibly do anything to benefit personally from his policies.

Tsk Tsk tsk, for even thinking such.

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You are the only one suggesting this.

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OK. So you explain to us all why Livingstone is promoting an expensive system which doesn't work.

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jasbar wrote:
OK. So you explain to us all why Livingstone is promoting an expensive system which doesn't work.

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Because he is trying his best to out buffoon Boris. :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:08 pm 
Why do we allow politicians away with such nonsense?

In Edinburgh the council insisted that all A plate airport licences, all saloon cars, should have swivel seats fitted for the disabled to more easily get in. This cost £1200. It became a condition of licence.

Then the airport decided to have the a plates binned and changed the fleet to private hire, without the swivel seats.

Did the council object? No. So why was there a requirement to make this expensive unecessary change in the first place?

Because they can. And it looks good when they're trying to justify themselves to the bewildered herd at voting time.

Our problem as a trade is that we don't get together and tell them where to shove it.


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jasbar wrote:
OK. So you explain to us all why Livingstone is promoting an expensive system which doesn't work.

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He did'nt as such, his input was to introduce the London Low Emissions zone which is effective from early next year. Its not just the Taxi fleet that's being stung, Coaches, Lorry's, Buses, even the Fire Brigade have to be up to Euro 3 emissions or above. The lorry kits are around £6K :shock:

TX2's / 4's and TTT Metro's are exempt.

There's a few systems available, the Van Aaken, Taxicat, STT Emtec, Turbo, and the Peak which comes in at around £1.7K. No one wants them, but the public seem to want the LEZ. The LCDC have attempted to challenge them, but it looks like the court will be backing TFL.

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There's a few systems available, the Van Aaken, Taxicat, STT Emtec, Turbo, and the Peak which comes in at around £1.7K. No one wants them, but the public seem to want the LEZ. The LCDC have attempted to challenge them, but it looks like the court will be backing TFL.

You can't win everything.


GBC is there an electronic version of this, or any other documents regarding Taxi emissions in London, that I can get my hands on?

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jasbar wrote:
OK. So you explain to us all why Livingstone is promoting an expensive system which doesn't work.

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He did'nt as such, his input was to introduce the London Low Emissions zone which is effective from early next year. Its not just the Taxi fleet that's being stung, Coaches, Lorry's, Buses, even the Fire Brigade have to be up to Euro 3 emissions or above. The lorry kits are around £6K :shock:

TX2's / 4's and TTT Metro's are exempt.

There's a few systems available, the Van Aaken, Taxicat, STT Emtec, Turbo, and the Peak which comes in at around £1.7K. No one wants them, but the public seem to want the LEZ. The LCDC have attempted to challenge them, but it looks like the court will be backing TFL.

You can't win everything.


GBC Why the fire brigade??? what happens if the conversion fecks up and the cannot make it to a fire.
What will happen on a windy day when all the pollutions from vehicles around the perimeter get blown into the zone.
What happens to the 42 bus that is legal outside the zone and has not been converted and has to go through.
Or any lorry or any other vehicle that has not been converted, is there a dip stick that is going to stand there with measuring equipment and prevent vehicles going in.
I seriously belive that TFL has not thought it through, and from what I can see it is only going to effect taxis and they have you by the short and curlers due to the PCO tests.


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jasbar wrote:
OK. So you explain to us all why Livingstone is promoting an expensive system which doesn't work.

:wink:


He did'nt as such, his input was to introduce the London Low Emissions zone which is effective from early next year. Its not just the Taxi fleet that's being stung, Coaches, Lorry's, Buses, even the Fire Brigade have to be up to Euro 3 emissions or above. The lorry kits are around £6K :shock:

TX2's / 4's and TTT Metro's are exempt.

There's a few systems available, the Van Aaken, Taxicat, STT Emtec, Turbo, and the Peak which comes in at around £1.7K. No one wants them, but the public seem to want the LEZ. The LCDC have attempted to challenge them, but it looks like the court will be backing TFL.

You can't win everything.


GBC Why the fire brigade??? what happens if the conversion fecks up and the cannot make it to a fire.
What will happen on a windy day when all the pollutions from vehicles around the perimeter get blown into the zone.
What happens to the 42 bus that is legal outside the zone and has not been converted and has to go through.
Or any lorry or any other vehicle that has not been converted, is there a dip stick that is going to stand there with measuring equipment and prevent vehicles going in.
I seriously belive that TFL has not thought it through, and from what I can see it is only going to effect taxis and they have you by the short and curlers due to the PCO tests.


This has actually been covered in the pack that was sent out. If you don't meet the polution criteria and you get caught there is a big bill to pay.

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JD wrote:
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There's a few systems available, the Van Aaken, Taxicat, STT Emtec, Turbo, and the Peak which comes in at around £1.7K. No one wants them, but the public seem to want the LEZ. The LCDC have attempted to challenge them, but it looks like the court will be backing TFL.

You can't win everything.


GBC is there an electronic version of this, or any other documents regarding Taxi emissions in London, that I can get my hands on?

Regards

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I believe the information relating to the Low Emissions Zone can be found on either the TFL website or the Mayor of London web.

Details of the actual systems have been released in a number of PCO notices, and obviously some of the manufacturers will have their own respective sites.

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/businessandpartners/1414.aspx


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GBC Why the fire brigade??? what happens if the conversion fecks up and the cannot make it to a fire.
What will happen on a windy day when all the pollutions from vehicles around the perimeter get blown into the zone.
What happens to the 42 bus that is legal outside the zone and has not been converted and has to go through.
Or any lorry or any other vehicle that has not been converted, is there a dip stick that is going to stand there with measuring equipment and prevent vehicles going in.
I seriously belive that TFL has not thought it through, and from what I can see it is only going to effect taxis and they have you by the short and curlers due to the PCO tests.



Because the Mayor in his wisdom has said so. The freight industry is up in arms as well, the London Fire Brigade are included, there are no exemptions.

All the Buses will be up to Euro3 by the start of next year as the Socialist spend spend and spends . . . no assistance to anyone else bar the bus companies of course. Private coach operators and LGV's , like us, will be funding the systems from their own profits.

The LEZ will be camera enforced, all the lorrys details will be gleamed from DVLA, and those who have not been registered as being converted or manufactured to Euro3 will be fined. The camera's are everywhere as well as the current congestion charge cameras.

Remember, several other metropolitan councils will be watching and waiting . . . :roll:


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The official notice from the PCO regarding the legal challenge:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/ ... rategy.pdf

Written by people who have never driven a Taxi in their lifes.


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The official notice from the PCO regarding the legal challenge:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/ ... rategy.pdf

Written by people who have never driven a Taxi in their lifes.


Apart from the PCO report that states these contraptions are up to the job of lessening emissions, isn't there also in existence a report stating that these emission controlers are not 100% reliable?

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The official notice from the PCO regarding the legal challenge:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloads/ ... rategy.pdf

Written by people who have never driven a Taxi in their lifes.


Apart from the PCO report that states these contraptions are up to the job of lessening emissions, isn't there also in existence a report stating that these emission controlers are not 100% reliable?

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I would E-Mail Alan Fleming of the LCDC, the links under my postings. I understand that some Taxi's were independantly tested somewhere by the LCDC and all failed.


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