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Don't they all?

I suppose it just happens to be unlawful. The driver is licensed for private hire not public hire, he took a chance and got caught. I suppose there is many a hack who will pick up outside their own area if the chance arises and think nothing of it but thats the chance you take. Some you win and some you lose.



Why would they be banned? That would be a two tier system would it not? I suppose you've thought about how you would write legislation to exclude drivers who work on a radio system? Do you think you could get the Government to agree to ban taxis from Taxi ranks just because they have a radio system installed? Quite a tall order if you ask me.



Something on the lines of Carlisle, what if it was 99 yards? I suppose there would be coloured lines in the road marking out a hundred yards form the rank and if you picked up within the lines you would commit an offence? But what would be the penalty?



What would the limit be and how would you decide the limit And what would the legislation say?



I see, so in theory you want the Government to starve the public of a Taxi service so you can make a decent living?

To be honest I thought these comments of yours were tongue in cheek but perhaps you are deadly serious and believe that such a system could be implemented?

Have you put these proposals to anyone else?

JD

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You're quite correct there, but the point of my post was to highlight the "holier than thou" attitude





a) In order to allow independents to get the rank work
b)To some extent yes, but it is to allow drivers to remain independent of operators/radio circuits if they want to
c) Legislation would be written by experts who are better qualified than me and it really isn't that difficult a distinction between with/without a radio
d) Yes a tall order, but not impossible.





Yeh I agree, it's totally arbitrary and is open to revision or other suggestions.





A number appropriate to each local authority area to be decided by the LA in accordance with new legislative guidelines(tba), it would however be heavily influenced by current levels of HC & PHV combined.
See answer above for expert drafters to come up with a form of words.





No I want drivers to be able to earn a decent living for a reasonable number of hours, if some of the public have to wait 30 mins for a cab at peak times then that is within normal economic laws ie demand will exceed supply at periods of peak demand and will be rationed by some means (not by price as price is controlled so by waiting times instead)



I am fairly serious about the principle but realistic about the possibility of them ever being implemented



No, however maybe we should see what transpires in Northern Ireland?

I hope this starts a constructive dialogue

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Not at all, these are the PCO guidelines for a PHV driver if approached by a possible fare. They also reflect common courtesy and reasonable behaviour.

What would you suggest a PHV driver should do if approached and there wasn't a taxi rank ful of Hacks nearby?

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But before extending the current restricticted numbers to the whole trade, shouldn't you explain how having drivers paying inflated rents/plate premiums allows them to earn a decent living?

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No.

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Nowhere have I suggested that drivers should pay inflated prices. However with a MUCH larger supply of plated vehicles the market would surely keep rents down to reasonable levels, if much of a market existed.
My suggestion is that Taxi numbers would be heavily influenced by current total HC & PHV numbers therefore it is likely that most if not all aspiring Taxi drivers would be able to run their own Taxi and renting would be limited to new entrants or those unable/willing to buy a taxi themselves.

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Then how much would you expect a driver to pay under your scheme? And what do you see as a non inflated price?



There is no evidence of that but there is evidence to the contrary. Therefore that assumption is incorrect.



A Rather bizarre analysis if you don't mind me saying so?

You don't know how many vehicles would be licensed because you have said it will be up to the local authority, you have given no criteria of who would and should be granted a license, you advocate a one tier system yet you now introduce private hire into the equation? You don't want plate premiums to exist but the very nature of your system suggests that plate premiums will be higher than ever before. You want to exclude hackney carriages that have a radio system from using Taxi ranks, no matter whether the radio system is for convenience, safety or obtaining work and you wouldn't allow punters to flag a cab within 100 yards of a Taxi rank?

To me it sounds absurd but I suppose others might be convinced but then again, perhaps not?

JD

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Unlike some, I don't think I have all the answers to all detailed questions in this lovely 1-tier Taxi World of mine. The market would determine prices, but as the supply would be large and most if not all cab drivers could have their own plated taxi then I would doubt that plated Taxis would attract a huge premium. But hey ho, I could be wrong.





I'm sorry but basic economic theory should tell you that a large supply almost matching demand will place a very small price premium on the items being supplied. Your assertion is simply totally incorrect.





I suggest you read, "Teach Yourself Economics".



Your ability to see the big picture seems to be obscured by your latching on to details to which I would not begin trying to dictate the answers, they would be for LA's and legislators to deal with.



Beauty is in the eye of the beholder provided they possess vision.

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Perhaps it could be a useful to put together a rough guide to how things work in the areas where the differant policies of the councils are most marked much of what is being discussed on this thread does happen in some areas and the results are not neccessarily as positive as you might think

How about each of the members of TDO putting together stats on the numbers of Hackney PH licensed in their areas with population stats and a summary of council policy on licensing i.e. restricted/deregulated etc. alomg with a brief summary of the positive and negative results of that policy

But if you had a very small supply the LA could easily bring supply and demand into equilibrium merely by raising prices, and this would in turn inflate premiums, so that doesn't concur with your theory.

Anyway, if in effect what you're saying is that restricting the numbers doesn't make much difference then doesn't that defeat the purpose of what you're proposing?

And you claim that very few drivers would be excluded. But if you look 20 years down the line and most of the current drivers have left the trade then the new kids on the block would either be renting or would have to buy a plate?

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And if currently most cars are singled then the trade could easily double the amount of drivers in the trade, so you could in effect double the amount of cars on the road without releasing any more plates.

So how does that help any driver who wants to remain an owner driver, and how does that square with your claim that supply and demand would be in equilibrium?

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To be quite frank looking at your proposals it would seem you don't have any answers, never mind "all"?



I thought you said numbers were to be decided by local authorities so how can you say if they will be large or small? What criteria have you in mind to ensure numbers are large?



You mean most cab drivers would have their own taxi from the limited supply that is available? So what happens to those that don't have their own cab?



So you don't know how many cabs are to be licensed by each authority yet you offer up an opinion that they won't attract a huge premium?

At the moment your authority is unrestricted and there is no value on a plate yet when it becomes restricted it will instantly obtain a value. So to what number should your local authority restrict Taxis?



Not could, you are most certainly wrong.



We are all under the impression you want to reduce plated vehicles in order that you can make a decent living, so where do these increased vehicles fit into the equation? Under your scheme would there be more, or less vehicles?





I am sorry to burst your bubble but the basic economic theory which you trumpet but can't explain is just pie in the sky. I said there was evidence to the contrary yet you make a rather childish statement about economic theory as though you know what you are talking about? You only have to look at Liverpool as an example to realise that your notion about plate premiums is as empty as your proposed blue print for change.

Liverpool went from having 300 vehicles to over 1400 and the plate premium is 50 grand. Manchester went from having 450 cabs to over a thousand and the plate premium is 50 grand. So before you start spouting off about economics in relation to the number of vehicles it might be wise if you did your homework?



I thought you said there would be a one tier system? Where have these private hire vehicles come from?



How can they run their own Taxi if you intend reducing supply to a level where in your opinion a person can make a decent living without working 75 hours a week? How many cabs do you intend to take off the road to meet your requirement of a decent living?



Who gets to choose the initial entrants and what makes you think you would be successful?





lol I hope you are not suggesting that I read the same book that is responsible for your evaluation of the future of the Taxi trade?





If you don't have answers to the questions being asked of your preferred system, then I suggest you go back to the drawing board and start from scratch. Perhaps you should consider leaving the future of the taxi trade to the meeting of minds think tank but on second thoughts it would appear they don't have any answers either.





Obviously the general concensus is that your vision is a little obscured?

JD

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GOOD ITS NICE TO SEE A SCAB DRIVER KNICKED

allo allo, how dare you come onto this website with a theory which hasnt been previously approved.

dont agree with you....but will defend your right to say it.

CC

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