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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:27 am 
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was speaking to a driver tonight
he was enquiring how i got my plate etc
he then went on to tell me that he was on the list and had been on it since applying in august 2007 ?
i ask him what he meant and he told me that when he applied he was put on the waiting list.
i explained to him that the list is closed, but he assured me he was on it, he also said that licencing had said that more than a few had recently applied.79 was the number he quoted.
now this is strange becouse as far as im aware and according to the taxi licencing officers monthly reports, ther have been no applications since jim taylors in dec 2006.
is the council trying to hide applications from the public, by placing them directly on the list ?
and if so what does this tell us of thier future plans.
looks like they intend to empty the list
short period of dereg
in comes the new survey and slam go's the door again
will they ever learn :lol:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:06 am 
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oh and another thing
they still tried to badger him about vehicle details
unbelievable that these prats still come out with this c*ap


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Did he say they had actually paid the fee, or just had their names added to either the original list or a new list, thats if it's true of course?


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stu wrote:
Did he say they had actually paid the fee, or just had their names added to either the original list or a new list, thats if it's true of course?
not like you to ask Rhetorical questions stu.


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Aye your right enough,my mistake, should have known better I suppose, a bit unclear about it though, the post doesn't make it clear though whether it was a licence application complete with fee, or the application was deferred to the list instead,or were they applications to go on the list, wasn't really a rhetorical question come to think of it!

Dont bother answering though, I'm that clever you'll only sully your good name. :wink: :lol:


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stu wrote:
Aye your right enough,my mistake, should have known better I suppose, a bit unclear about it though, the post doesn't make it clear though whether it was a licence application complete with fee, or the application was deferred to the list instead,or were they applications to go on the list, wasn't really a rhetorical question come to think of it!

Dont bother answering though, I'm that clever you'll only sully your good name. :wink: :lol:

the answers you seek are in the original post stu.
if its unclear to you then i suggest you seek the services of an optition.
if you apply you pay simple as that.
what the council do with it after that ?well they seem to do whatever they want even although the courts have made it clear on several occassions what should be done.
on another note the guy was very genuine and upfront about it, i have no reason to disbelieve him, nor do you for that matter, or is it my word that you are questioning?
i do however have every reason to question the councils motives and ethics, as should you.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 11:21 am 
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ALI T wrote:
stu wrote:
Aye your right enough,my mistake, should have known better I suppose, a bit unclear about it though, the post doesn't make it clear though whether it was a licence application complete with fee, or the application was deferred to the list instead,or were they applications to go on the list, wasn't really a rhetorical question come to think of it!

Dont bother answering though, I'm that clever you'll only sully your good name. :wink: :lol:

the answers you seek are in the original post stu.
if its unclear to you then i suggest you seek the services of an optition.
if you apply you pay simple as that.
what the council do with it after that ?well they seem to do whatever they want even although the courts have made it clear on several occassions what should be done

on another note the guy was very genuine and upfront about it, i have no reason to disbelieve him, nor do you for that matter, or is it my word that you are questioning?
i do however have every reason to question the councils motives and ethics, as should you.


ALI T , Does that mean that another driver could be sacked for wanting his own destiny, if the owners find out :?: :?:


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Well in your post you wrote that "when he applied he was put on the waiting list" it was unclear whether they had accepted his application or had just shifted him to the waiting list, and since you said there is no mention of any of these applications that just confused the issue further.

Further to that, the term waiting list was also confusing because I thought it was an interested parties list we had so I wondered if it was another list of some sort that had been invented to supplement the list that was closed in 1994, I dont need an optician either I've got 20/20 vision but have not got eyes in the back of my head.

The motives and ethics of the council is precisely the reason I asked the question in the first place, also it's not really about who I should or should not believe, I just find it hard to read between the lines sometimes when it is so apparent that everyone seems to have their hands so deeply in each others pockets.

Thanks for the answer anyway.


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ok stu ill take youre word for it that you dont need an optition.
pity you cant do the same for me.
judging by the way you disassemble a post i think it may be a shrink that you need.
it was a genuine and honest post stu nothing more.
take it as you like
but when you end youre reply with"thats if its true of course"
what else do you expect in reply :lol:
to straighten things out
the guy applied paid cash £1205
was told that his application was one of 79 and that he would be placed on the ipl(waiting list) :lol:
if this is true and in my judgment it is, then why does the councils monthly reports show no applications since dec 2006.
and why now is the list suddenly open again.
thats the real question stu
emails to the council under foi already sent regarding the above


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skippy41 wrote:

ALI T , Does that mean that another driver could be sacked for wanting his own destiny, if the owners find out :?: :?:
probably skip
but my lips are sealed and i dont think he would be readilly discussing it with his owner just to be on the safe side :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:25 pm 
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Well I kind of get the feeling that the truth is a bit of a stranger these days so thats why I like to avail myself of the facts, thats all.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2007 1:46 pm 
We should all realise that the council are on the brink of bringing forward their "solution" to all of this.

The second cycle has just about expired, the survey is being done, or already has been done. The council refuse to disclose this so it must be true.

The recent hearing was a farce. A point we will be drawing to the court's attention. It is clear that the council has taken the rise out of the court system in order to buy time to allow their new policy to develop. This is an abuse of the court system. This of course will be added to the contrary to natural justice appeal ground, along with other new grounds we will be adding.

What we know and appears perfectly reasonable.

The council can't come back with another negative. It will be 6 years since the last licence was approved, this would be so preposterous that it would be challenged in court, when the whole panoply of council chicanery would be rehearsed before the Sheriff.

The council must come back with a positive.

The council can't introduce the survey results in secret, seeking to get rid of the IPL before all else. The council can't issue from the list in isolation. This would be illegal and would be stopped.

The council can't afford for our appeals to ever come before a Sheriff. We would very much welcome they did, and the whole pile of cards would come tumbling down. They know this. Colin Keir knows this. And he knows that what he did at the hearing was despicable politicking of the worst kind. His time will come.

BTW Just watch the next extravaganza from jacob. Just watch another predetermined outcome being published.

It is certain that the council will try to disburse the list then close the door again. This will not resolve the matter. The campaign will continue. Through either more licence applications and/or through the polictical process at both Scottish and European level, with the support of quasi-governmental bodies who recognise the injustice of restriction and are growing impatient with the government failing to address the matter.

We will be calling for a public inquiry, irrespective of what the end result is, whether our licences are ultimately granted or not. The conduct of elected and unelected officials in this council is deplorable. The absence of any real dialogue between the sides manifests itself as a "fight to the death".

There will be a referral to the Audit Commission for the way that council officials have used the public purse to play their games. This is already being prepared.

There will only ever be closure in this matter when TayMac and the Skull are entirely satisfied with the outcome. That's the real test.

The final certainty is that we are going to bring full European Parliamentary level scrutiny to the whole process of taxi licensing and all aspects of the council's handling of it from vehicles, drivers and disciplinary matters.

Justice will be forced to prevail.


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Colin Keir is an honest upstanding member of the community whos aim is to do the best for the community we live in today that why we elected him to serve on the council you have not so why should we believe what you say and not him.Your main problem with Colin Keir is the fact he is a bus driver who you think he will put his company first council second he hasn`t done this so far so let`s wait and see what he does at least before you hang the poor man. How do we know what your motives are maybe you just want a plate to sell on because you are in financial trouble or some other reason it won`t be the first time this has happened ?its only a couple of years ago you were saying exactly the opposite to what you are saying now with regards to derestriction who`s to say you won`t be saying different once you have your plate finally look at the time its not 4am and i`m posting


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davina wrote:
Colin Keir is an honest upstanding member of the community whos aim is to do the best for the community we live in today that why we elected him to serve on the council you have not so why should we believe what you say and not him.Your main problem with Colin Keir is the fact he is a bus driver who you think he will put his company first council second he hasn`t done this so far so let`s wait and see what he does at least before you hang the poor man. How do we know what your motives are maybe you just want a plate to sell on because you are in financial trouble or some other reason it won`t be the first time this has happened ?its only a couple of years ago you were saying exactly the opposite to what you are saying now with regards to derestriction who`s to say you won`t be saying different once you have your plate finally look at the time its not 4am and i`m posting

my my all this from someone who said this
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Why would I be dragged up to the council i don`t have a licence yet as for the rest of it thats only your belief and not neccaserily mines.

are you sure youre not a wee fibber dear/guv


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I`m sorry Ali T i don`t get the connection is it only taxi drivers that know about the taxi trade the post was meant for jasbar anyway what you mean by dear/guv are you implying something


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