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BB - I keep telling you to ask Terry, after all he is the font of all knowledge, and is your most experienced negotiator. He doesn't seem to be doing too well does he? (except for getting subscriptions from Brighton, more fool you!)

For many many years, many people from both sides of the trade have openly expressed their desire to see both hackney and private hire associations sit round the table and talk. The stumbling block has always been dislike, egos and distrust, but finally certain people and associations have been brave enough to try.

You are playing a childish silly game over the fact I said five national associations, when I should have said five bodies made up of both national associations and unions.

Getting two to sit round the table would have been a success, but to get five, including NALEO, will do for me.

If your friend Terry, who you hold in the highest esteem, had any ability at all regarding the taxi and ph trade, his presence would have been secured from the very beginning. Certain hackney members of the GMB are however, held in high regard.

I can well understand your urgency and desperation in trying to make your branch work. After all your company is investing heavily each week and more than likely you will be held accountable for the many thousands of pounds it will have cost at the end of each year.

Terry's fame is going before him. I am sure he will enter many empty rooms in the future.

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Mr T,

My point is a Meeting of Minds is attended by Five trade bodies, these five being the NTA, NTTG, NPHA, T&G Liverpool branch and the Manchester Branch of the GMB. Hardley National Representation?

I acknowledge the efforts you and CC have made in bringing trade members together. I also support any effort to bring trade members together, in the interests of all trade members.

I just can't see how it is a representation of all area's of the trade. You claim that Private Hire drivers are represented, if so by whom? It would appear that there are four H/C representives and an association of Private Hire companies.

The GMB hackney members you invited are excellent trade union members, but by selecting the GMB representatives you wanted to attend, has cast a shadow of suspicion over the goals of the Meeting of Minds.

Mr Flanagan the GMB PDB Branch Secretary is very well thank you. His relentless persuit of Educating all members of our trade continues, His desire to encourage every person in our trade to have a say, knows no limits, and his support for all GMB PDB members is commendable.

The only urgency and desperation I have is to continue supporting the members of our Branch.

The GMB PDB will meet any trade representatives, however we are quite capable of presenting our members views to Politicians on both a local and national level.

Regards
BB

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Mick Hildreth (07814 032002)
GMB PDB P39 Southern Region Branch Secretary
mick.hildreth@gmbtaxis.org.uk
www.gmbpdb.org.uk

Don't you think you should at least educate Terry first .... the Hackney and private hire trade do not really want to know about coalmines and printing............. or how to empty a room...... please explain to me through your vast knowledge of the T&G how it works. it is my understanding that it has two sections regarding Hackney's the north and south.. Tommy Macintyre is the regional convener for the North and Mr Payne is the regional convener for the south... and as both are attending I would think that is natural... or are you saying that T&G are telling lies???? and are you saying that NALEO is also not a National Association???


PS... I don't believe I have said that it represents all parties in the trade.... I think that is a twist you or Terry have tried to introduce..... I have only ever said it is start.

pp. Returning to Terry.. with 80,000 private hire in London I would have thought his days would be fully occupied signing on new members. from all accounts 79,995 have declined his offer...... I wonder why ......

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Justice for the 96. It has only taken 27 years...........repeat the same lies for 27 years and the truth sounds strange to people!

Dear Mr T,

As I stated in a previous post, I am guessing who attended as you would not inform me.

I'll guess again, NTA, NTTG, T&G, Naleo and the Manchester Branch of the GMB. Is that correct?

I am not trying to put a twist on anything, all I'm trying to do is assertain who attended.

I acknowledge your efforts, and I hope they continue to expand so all trade representatives are eventually invited.

The GMB PDB was established within the GMB some three years ago I believe, Red routes for PH in London within three years, not a bad start for a Branch with five members

Regards
BB

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Mick Hildreth (07814 032002)
GMB PDB P39 Southern Region Branch Secretary
mick.hildreth@gmbtaxis.org.uk
www.gmbpdb.org.uk

The national taxi media, were also there,(Taxitalk) . Oh dear me, i think i may have made a mistake . Is Taxitalk magazine not the mouth of the NTTG .
Hang on a mo ! The N T A do loads of articles for Taxitalk.
Is the N T A not really the same as N T T G , if there is a difference please some point it out to me . As every one knows , Liverpool T&G are the NTTGs little lap dog.
So who was there .
NTTG ,Naleo and Manchester Gmb not hard to work out really .

When did the GMB PDB tell the likes of Naleo and the DfT that they represent all GMB licensed drivers on a national basis?

And when did the GMB PDB get authorisation by all local GMB sections to have national licensed representation?

My guess is that hasn't happened, or at least not prior to MoM 1, thus it's a tad rich having a pop at folks who didn't know such a GMB hierarchy existed.

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IDFIMH

Thats a fair enough breakdown of the characters streetcars but you forgot to mention the Merseyside Naleo connection? That being the Sefton LO. It doesn't take Perry Mason to work out that the whole issue is Merseyside driven, with a little help from the North East region of the NTA, region 2.

Regards

JD

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If I can just point out for those that live outside of London, Red routes have a No Stopping policy. There were already area's set aside for ANYONE to stop at.

This 'great victory' we keep hearing about, means Minicabs can stop to let a passenger off, or pick one up.

That's it, no magical Bus Lane access, or the right to ply for hire, or carry adverts, or . . .

I may also point out, as the GMB seem to like a bandwagon or two, this concession was won with as much, if not more effort from Steve Wright (LHPCA) and not, as some would suggest, Terry Flanagan's sole effort.



That many?

What you should do is get a company to sign all their drivers up, whether they want to or not, then start a branch.
Sorry? That's already been done? Where?

Are you related to a certain GMB rep from London by any chance?

Are you saying, the Sefton Licensing Officer was there. If so is that not a bit dodgy . A Licensing officer and a millionaire taxi Baron haveing a meeting. I hope he told his cheif executive. If i was a operator in Sefton , or a driver i would be down the town hall, this very moment .

It's no secret that the Sefton LO is Secretary of Naleo, hence the Merseyside connection which you conveniently pointed out. Along with the Liverpool T&G and NTTG, the Sefton LO is one of the main driving forces behind this particular issue. He has been a party to the meetings of minds exercise from the very beginning and as Secretary of NALEO he has every right to do so. He's a congenial fellow and more than willing to discuss these proposals, more so than any of the so called representatives of these taxi organisations who have self appointed themselves as head cook and bottle washer on behalf of the Taxi trade.

Being congenial doesn't mean the message is right, in fact the message is not right and that is why you have this nucleus of minds predominantly harvested from the North West who want to stop Sefton P/H waiting in Liverpool for pre booked jobs at any price, even if it means taking away certain existing rights from hackney carriage drivers?

Liverpool council and the local cab trade tried unsuccessfully to convince the DfT to alter legislation in order to prevent Sefton P/H parking up in liverpool awaiting pre booked jobs so now they are trying a different route. I'm wondering when the rest of the UK cab trade will wake up and realise just how big a rabbit this is, that they are trying to pull out of the proverbial hat?

Mr T once told us the Liverpool T&G has no more than 25 members and you would have thought Mr T would be in a position to know that type of thing? I suppose 25 members might give you a mandate to speak on behalf of those 25 members but it certainly doesn't give you a mandate to speak on behalf of the Taxi trade as a whole?

Regards

JD

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Was this actually one of the schedule meeting and why wasn't Mr T invited along as a partial observer? Who took the minutes?

Regards

JD

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It must be nice for you to have so much in common with Liverpool Council.

You have both unsuccesfully tried to get the DfT to alter legislation.

I thought Parliament were our legislators. (Or the European Parliament)

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Former taxi driver

You missed out the word "minority" before "trade representatives" but I'm more interested in the diametrically opposed positions of for example GMB areas such as the Manchester and those of London and many other areas that have a predominant membership of one side of the trade as opposed to the other side?

How do you square the circle between private hire and Hackney because what is being advocated by NALEO and the Liverpool contingent is predominately anti private hire, which Branches like Manchester might have no problem supporting regardless of the effect on hackney carriage drivers?

Regards

JD

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Enlighten me Jimbo, what legislation have I tried to alter? I don't ever recall writing or contacting the DfT asking for legislation to be changed? Perhaps you know otherwise, or is this just another opportunistic moment to make unfounded allegations against me based on nothing more than your dislike for facts?

I suppose you will point to some past comment I made about your pet subject deregulation and cite that as your misguided inference as to me failing to convince the DfT to change legislation.

No doubt you are aware that the Liverpool contingent met with Rupert Cope and did everything in their power to try and convince him to ask the Minister of Transport to change legislation. If ever I had a meeting with such persons I would be in no doubt that my powers of persuasion might have been a little more influential than those of the Liverpool contingent? lol

Just jesting of course.

JD

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