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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:32 pm 
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I thought Parliament were our legislators. (Or the European Parliament)


Well they are our legislative body but what is being proposed is the "tinkering" with legislation that You, Mr T, Mr Captain Cab and Mr Gateshead Angel so much favour. This cess pit of ill conceived proposals is a direct consequence of your fixation with tinkering with legislation. Therefore you can hardly criticise the process when you support its format. Or are you saying you no longer support the Tinkering process?

Perhaps we can count the Lincoln Taxi trade out of Mr T's preferred method of legislative change?

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Now, Now Mr T, As a licensed H/C and P/H driver and representing a few more, surley you can't deny me representation at meetings which will effect the trade that I work in? Can you?


Barry Carter of Manchester and the NTTG, took the minutes of the Liverpool meeting. If you contact him he will no doubt have to give you or your rep a copy, if not ask the Sefton LO for a copy, I'm sure he will have one by now. I wouldn't hold out much hope of getting a copy off anyone else who was at that meeting?

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You have both unsuccesfully tried to get the DfT to alter legislation.

I thought Parliament were our legislators. (Or the European Parliament)


Enlighten me Jimbo, what legislation have I tried to alter? I don't ever recall writing or contacting the DfT asking for legislation to be changed? Perhaps you know otherwise, or is this just another opportunistic moment to make unfounded allegations against me based on nothing more than your dislike for facts?

I suppose you will point to some past comment I made about your pet subject deregulation and cite that as your misguided inference as to me failing to convince the DfT to change legislation.

No doubt you are aware that the Liverpool contingent met with Rupert Cope and did everything in their power to try and convince him to ask the Minister of Transport to change legislation. If ever I had a meeting with such persons I would be in no doubt that my powers of persuasion might have been a little more influential than those of the Liverpool contingent? lol

Just jesting of course.

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Bit grumpy today aren't we?

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JD wrote:
jimbo wrote:
I thought Parliament were our legislators. (Or the European Parliament)


Well they are our legislative body but what is being proposed is the "tinkering" with legislation that You, Mr T, Mr Captain Cab and Mr Gateshead Angel so much favour. This cess pit of ill conceived proposals is a direct consequence of your fixation with tinkering with legislation. Therefore you can hardly criticise the process when you support its format. Or are you saying you no longer support the Tinkering process?

Perhaps we can count the Lincoln Taxi trade out of Mr T's preferred method of legislative change?

JD


Wow! Such exalted company I keep! (apparently).

Mr T, Captain Cab, Gateshead Angel, Jimbo.

Can we shorten it to the "Gang of Four"?

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 Post subject: Re: GMB PDB MEET NALEO
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GMB PDB Branch Secretary Mr T Flanagan was recently invited to a meeting in London with Naleo by Brian Rowlands, NPHA. Also attending were T&G representatives from Liverpool and Norman Deegan from the NTA amongst others.


Was this actually one of the schedule meeting and why wasn't Mr T invited along as a partial observer? Who took the minutes?

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Apparently this was a scheduled meeting, Mr Fanagan was invited at the last moment by Mr Rowlands.
The GMB PDB have a meeting of National Reps this Friday and we are looking forward to a report from the Manchester lads who attended the previous meeting and from Terry.
Apparently Terry informed Naleo who the GMB PDB represent and their interest in any proposed change of Taxi and P/H legislation.
I now understand why Mr T said Naleo were not impressed :lol:

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The GMB PDB was established within the GMB some three years ago I believe

When did the GMB PDB tell the likes of Naleo and the DfT that they represent all GMB licensed drivers on a national basis?

And when did the GMB PDB get authorisation by all local GMB sections to have national licensed representation?

My guess is that hasn't happened, or at least not prior to MoM 1, thus it's a tad rich having a pop at folks who didn't know such a GMB hierarchy existed. :wink:


Hi Mr Sussex,

Naleo were informed at the recent meeting in London. Not sure if the DfT were there.

The first meeting of local GMB local sections took place in Brighton in the summer at the GMB national conference. The second meeting took place in London some two months ago. The third meeting is this Friday in London.

The issue with MoM1 is not weather GMB PDB national representatives were invited, it was the fact that GMB Manchester branch representatives were portayed as National GMB representatives.

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Are you saying, the Sefton Licensing Officer was there. If so is that not a bit dodgy . A Licensing officer and a millinaire taxi Baron haveing a meeting. I hope he told his cheif executive. :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


It's no secret that the Sefton LO is Secretary of Naleo, hence the Merseyside connection which you conveniently pointed out. Along with the Liverpool T&G and NTTG, the Sefton LO is one of the main driving forces behind this particular issue. He has been a party to the meetings of minds exercise from the very beginning and as Secretary of NALEO he has every right to do so. He's a congenial fellow and more than willing to discuss these proposals, more so than any of the so called representatives of these taxi organisations who have self appointed themselves as head cook and bottle washer on behalf of the Taxi trade.

Being congenial doesn't mean the message is right, in fact the message is not right and that is why you have this nucleus of minds predominantly harvested from the North West who want to stop Sefton P/H waiting in Liverpool for pre booked jobs at any price, even if it means taking away certain existing rights from hackney carriage drivers?

Liverpool council and the local cab trade tried unsuccessfully to convince the DfT to alter legislation in order to prevent Sefton P/H parking up in liverpool awaiting pre booked jobs so now they are trying a different route. I'm wondering when the rest of the UK cab trade will wake up and realise just how big a rabbit this is, that they are trying to pull out of the proverbial hat?

Mr T once told us the Liverpool T&G has no more than 25 members and you would have thought Mr T would be in a position to know that type of thing? I suppose 25 members might give you a mandate to speak on behalf of those 25 members but it certainly doesn't give you a mandate to speak on behalf of the Taxi trade as a whole?

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At the time I said 25 members it would more or less be right..IMO.. but since then there has been the Liverpool Airport saga... I do believe the membership has grown immensely... and you must remember that Tommy Mack is the North West convenor

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 Post subject: Re: GMB PDB MEET NALEO
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JD wrote:
brightonbreezy wrote:
GMB PDB Branch Secretary Mr T Flanagan was recently invited to a meeting in London with Naleo by Brian Rowlands, NPHA. Also attending were T&G representatives from Liverpool and Norman Deegan from the NTA amongst others.


Was this actually one of the schedule meeting and why wasn't Mr T invited along as a partial observer? Who took the minutes?

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NATLO.... had their annual general meeting with invited guests and speakers, to which the NTA were invited over six months ago , I believe quite a few dropped out at the last minute and Terry sneaked in at the last 24 hours after being invited by one of the London private hire associations that had been invited months before.....

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The issue with MoM1 is not weather GMB PDB national representatives were invited, it was the fact that GMB Manchester branch representatives were portayed as National GMB representatives.

The way I see it is the GMB should be happy that some of their members were invited, and the fact that the GMB hadn't told the likes of Naleo/DfT that the GMB has now got some sort of national committee isn't the fault of Naleo/DfT.

Clearly now that problem shouldn't arise.

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You have both unsuccesfully tried to get the DfT to alter legislation.

I thought Parliament were our legislators. (Or the European Parliament)


Enlighten me Jimbo, what legislation have I tried to alter? I don't ever recall writing or contacting the DfT asking for legislation to be changed? Perhaps you know otherwise, or is this just another opportunistic moment to make unfounded allegations against me based on nothing more than your dislike for facts?

I suppose you will point to some past comment I made about your pet subject deregulation and cite that as your misguided inference as to me failing to convince the DfT to change legislation.

No doubt you are aware that the Liverpool contingent met with Rupert Cope and did everything in their power to try and convince him to ask the Minister of Transport to change legislation. If ever I had a meeting with such persons I would be in no doubt that my powers of persuasion might have been a little more influential than those of the Liverpool contingent? lol

Just jesting of course.

JD

I think you'll find that Rupert Cope had retired when Liverpool went to see the minister

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Sussex wrote:
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The issue with MoM1 is not weather GMB PDB national representatives were invited, it was the fact that GMB Manchester branch representatives were portayed as National GMB representatives.

The way I see it is the GMB should be happy that some of their members were invited, and the fact that the GMB hadn't told the likes of Naleo/DfT that the GMB has now got some sort of national committee isn't the fault of Naleo/DfT.

Clearly now that problem shouldn't arise.


As far as I know the GMB have not been officially invited, and it has been made clear continuously from the very beginning by members of this site that nobody has or is officially representing the GMB... so how can there be any confusion......

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GMB PDB Branch Secretary Mr T Flanagan was recently invited to a meeting in London with Naleo by Brian Rowlands, NPHA. Also attending were T&G representatives from Liverpool and Norman Deegan from the NTA amongst others.


Was this actually one of the schedule meeting and why wasn't Mr T invited along as a partial observer? Who took the minutes?

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JD


Apparently this was a scheduled meeting, Mr Fanagan was invited at the last moment by Mr Rowlands.
The GMB PDB have a meeting of National Reps this Friday and we are looking forward to a report from the Manchester lads who attended the previous meeting and from Terry.
Apparently Terry informed Naleo who the GMB PDB represent and their interest in any proposed change of Taxi and P/H legislation.
I now understand why Mr T said Naleo were not impressed :lol:

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BB
BB.. is it true that they had a whip-round to buy him a new suit and pay for his taxi home?? :lol:

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I think you'll find that Rupert Cope had retired when Liverpool went to see the minister


I think you'll find you are correct. lol

But didn't Liverpool also try this on with Cope, even though they didn't buy the train ticket?

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Apparently this was a scheduled meeting, Mr Fanagan was invited at the last moment by Mr Rowlands.
The GMB PDB have a meeting of National Reps this Friday and we are looking forward to a report from the Manchester lads who attended the previous meeting and from Terry.

Apparently Terry informed Naleo who the GMB PDB represent and their interest in any proposed change of Taxi and P/H legislation.
I now understand why Mr T said Naleo were not impressed :lol:


Well I don't know what kind of report you will get because the Manchester branch hasn't even bothered to inform its own members. So if you do ever get to know which I doubt then perhaps you might be so kind and let them know because at the moment its a big secret.

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As far as I know the GMB have not been officially invited, and it has been made clear continuously from the very beginning by members of this site that nobody has or is officially representing the GMB... so how can there be any confusion......


In that case it begs the question who sent out the invites to this exclusive club? And what criteria did they use. I suppose being a scouser was one, being able to keep a secret was another, representing less than one percent of the taxi trade another and having a mind that is easily brainwashed is the icing on the cake.

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