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I've never said Minicab drivers earn 'Jack' Dusty?

I have said that they would earn a lot less than me if they worked similar hours.

I reckon it's these nasty unscrupulous bosses they work for, perhaps we should re-restrict minicab barons?

Well I didn't mean Jack literally, or even literally metaphorically, if you see what I mean.

Perhaps working for peanuts is the right expression?

But that's just detracting from the point I was making.

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Funny you blame me for steering away from the substance when it's actually you that's doing that.

I never denied there was a problem in Sheffield for a start.

And it's surely a truism to say that the vast majority of people in the trade would rather sell than buy a plate, so why are you making a meal out of this?

And how about answering my question about QC and London minicab drivers etc?

And on the population question, why does Liverpool have more taxis per population than Sheffield, yet people are willing to buy a Liverpool plate for £40k?

Funny that

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Well you seem to think that London drivers earn more, so you must have some kind of figures in mind, so what are they, or is it just vague supposition to make a case.

And how did you manage to come up with this a mere week and a half ago if you doubt the efficacy of comparing taxi drivers earnings:

"In three years I have seen number of cabs rise further from 520 to 790(and rising), and earnings fall to 70% of three years ago."

So what are the figures that you derived the 70% from, and what do you think you should be earning in comparison?

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If we go back to what was actually commented and where you are trying to steer the debate to well worn rhetoric.



And GBC doesn't mention minicab earnings

And you back track to accept that

Right.... Funny that isn't it? Do you have a hard time arguing with yourself?
hmmmm, OK, I take it all back
As for my comment about earnings fall by 30%, yes MY earnings, and you may imagin I have some notion of what I earn without needing to give you figures, and yes they have fallen. There is a need to have controls we agree and Sheffield has very tight quality controls, but that hardly translates to limitless demand. I have only commented using personal experience rather than one size fits all London model, london model, london model drum beat approach, without any idea that there are variations around the country. Liverpool is no exception to variations, and in the same annalogy the Leeds taxi market has been more vibrant than Sheffield even when Sheffield had Quantity controls and less cabs. Please don't ask me for explanations as to why but rather do your own resaerch.
The point I wish to bring accross is that I too was in favour of delimitation and indeed as I said before the whole thing worked for a number of years till now the balance has tipped. Not having lived the changes, you have no ligitmacy preaching to us something we have found to our cost not to work. This is bickering for the sake of bickering rather than a serious attempt to solve a problem facing the whole of the taxi trade.

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Blimey that looks like a post from Mr Taxis.

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No, both you and GBC seem to think that higher demand because of a bigger poplulation translates into higher earnings, and you've systematically ignored the point and YOU have tried to steer the debate away from my question about London minicabs, which with regard to GBC's previous statements disproves his point.





Of course I didn't mean Jack literally (ie to mean nothing) because no one works for nothing. Of course, you knew that, but have jumped on a literal interpretation of what I said because frankly that's about the only ammunition you have.

Now you go on about how I'm trying to dodge things and making a simple thread into war and peace, but it's your inability to adress the point which started the debate that's prolonging it.

So I'll ask you again, does a higher population automatically translate into higher earnings?

Would you agree that GBC's persistent references to the poor earnings of minicab drivers in London means that the question asked in the above paragraph must be answered in the negative?

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"Seem to think" is better than you telling me what I think in that I would like to sell a plate than work in a taxi. Good, it shows restraint.
I have no idea what GBC thinks and can't really answer for anyone else, but since I mentioned Leeds as having a more vibrant market for the taxi service, and since Sheffield and Leeds are simmilar population size may give you a clue to what I think. So many factors affect our trade not just sheer number of people living in a place.

It could have saved you asking had you read the above statement. No is the answer and neither is it the London model, London model, London model rhetoric. Each city has some aspects to it that give it the edge over others. London does have the tourist factor amongst other advantages which are lacking in some Northern cities
Your use of words like ammunition and war and peace suggest unhealthy emotional attachment to the cause of delimitation, I just hope you can learn without the costs (as we have incurred) that it doesn't work in each and every case but only some.

So why didn't you say that originally, it would have saved a lot of time



Err, War and Peace is a book renowned because of its length. That's what GBC mentioned at the outset, implying that these threads can often go on for a while.

But since it was your agreement with his initial point that you now disagree that has caused much of this thread then at least you've proved GBC's War and Peace thesis, problem is that it's you two who are responsible rather than me, and it was of course GBC who ironically accused me of being the cause of these War and Peace moments.

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Yes Yes I've seen the light!!! I've found out secret of achieving peace.
These threads go on on and on because you can't accept there are variations to your religion of London Model. War is anyone disagreeing with you and peace is not to.
To be honest this has been one of the most pointless arguments that I recall participating in. It hasn't changed the way we work under delimitation in Sheffield and nor has it changed your rhetoric that it does work only we the people living in the caused mess don't know realise it working. If you are happy in your own tiny world, then hey you’ve achieved something man has always strived for, Bliss and I can appreciate your desire to remain deluded. Good luck with it. I wish you didn't use the best interests of taxi drivers as a cover though to undermine the trade, and doing real damage to real people whilst living in your imaginary world.

GBC, I don't know you my friend but thank you for advice which regretfully I didn't take and ended up wasting valuable minutes answering pointless arguments.

I think a lot of you have missed a major point. Where there is deregulation/deristriction you tend to get a lot of drivers moving into those areas because it is easy to get a license

what you get is a number of drivers who work very long hours to make a good living because it is their sole living and an even larger number of drivers for whom it is their extra/second/third job but because of the way their community works the economics are distorted because where most of those drivers originated from there is no minimum wage and a subsistence culture which they are importing to this country

In addition to this many of these drivers bring sharp practises with them and a total lack of respect for the customers resulting in an alienation of those customers thus producing long queues of taxis waiting for work because people simply stop using taxis as a result of their bad experiences of them

the authorities are no help because probably less than 1% of people who have complaints about their treatment by taxi drivers will actually make a formal complaint and secondly the racism card is ALWAYS played by any drivers accused of wrong doing and the authorities insist that they have no right to deny a driver the right to work

So only a small number of drivers give up on economic grounds and more and more are imported from overseas by an expanding ethnic community to be shoved into the taxi trade because it is probably the easiest way to get them into work. I think it is perhaps high time the government put some restrictions into place on people going into self employment !

Well reasoned and a good post. It may not be spot on but does however explain other varient affecting the trade. A refreshing change from the norm of ah but you said this type arguments, thanks

Is that not a good reason to have 100% delimitation?

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