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PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:37 pm 
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I just wonder what people will be driving when oil runs out? If we can send a man to the moon surely we can find a lasting alternative to a by product of oil? All these people concerned about green house gasses should be pushing to find an alternative to petro carbons. Perhaps the tax revenues generated from fuel duty is the reason why experimentation in this field is non existent?

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We have one haven't we.............Biodiesel, made from plants. it regrows every year. You just need to find a way to neutralise the smell. :mrgreen:

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You just need to find a way to neutralise the smell. :mrgreen:


Nah, that's the best part. :) Stopped in traffic, watching everyone looking at each other wondering why it suddenly smells like a chippy. :lol:


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JD wrote:
I just wonder what people will be driving when oil runs out? If we can send a man to the moon surely we can find a lasting alternative to a by product of oil? All these people concerned about green house gasses should be pushing to find an alternative to petro carbons. Perhaps the tax revenues generated from fuel duty is the reason why experimentation in this field is non existent?

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There is an alternative JD, Hydrogen, but due to the oil barons development has been curtailed, I for one would like to be able to do 400 miles on a quart of water, like some do on u tube, any water will do even from the sea
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhXrvCCI ... re=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NLKExuHlQ ... re=related


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I am not sure that I understand the science behind this. You start off with water and convert it into it's base elements which are hydrogen and oxygen. Am I right so far.
You then burn the hydrogen. Is this correct. Does the hydrogen require any of the oxygen to help in the burning?
What is the resulting emmision of burning the hydogen? I always thought that to burn anything requires oxygen so I assume that if you burn hydrogen and oxygen together the resulting emmision should be water vapour which can be condensed into water and does this mean that the process starts again?

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To seperate water into its base elements requires the input of energy which is released when they are burned to recombine into water that energy could come from solar power wind power geo thermal or even nuclear power but to power all the taxis,trains ,buses and lorries on the planet would need some pretty sizeable power installations and if you throw in private cars well

Fuel cells are also very expensive but if they were to be mass produced i'm sure the cost would come down

What needs to happen though is for several world governments to introduce the sort of legislation which would upset the oil companies making the development of the technology and mass production of it viable and i can't see that happening


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Get a load of taxis to block all routes into and out of the City of London, then those that run the country will have to take notice and the rest of us can carry on our day to day lives.


Copy from the above link, I wonder if GBC and Bex will join in


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grandad wrote:
I am not sure that I understand the science behind this. You start off with water and convert it into it's base elements which are hydrogen and oxygen. Am I right so far.
You then burn the hydrogen. Is this correct. Does the hydrogen require any of the oxygen to help in the burning?
What is the resulting emmision of burning the hydogen? I always thought that to burn anything requires oxygen so I assume that if you burn hydrogen and oxygen together the resulting emmision should be water vapour which can be condensed into water and does this mean that the process starts again?


Grandad have a look at the other vids next to the one you watched, there are many more examples of how to do it


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Sadly I feel nothing will become of the protests, except the inconvenience for many motorists due to panic buying.
Since the blockades in 2000 the government have reacted with promises of tough action involving terror laws, the military and offending vehicles being impounded.

With this Saturday being the busiest shopping day of the year and motorists already starting to panic buy, the government will still be racking in it's 56.94p per litre on diesel. :roll:

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Just shows you what this government will do. Using terror laws to stop legal protests. Talk about abuse of power. Remember the 80 odd year dragged out of the hall for heckling a Labour MP, under anti terror laws?

That's Labours idea of democracy for you.


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And this won't help Weather Hits Fuel Supplies

I've also read that forecourts in Northampton have raised their prices 1p in anticipation of panic buying.

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And this won't help Weather Hits Fuel Supplies

I've also read that forecourts in Northampton have raised their prices 1p in anticipation of panic buying.


Yep, forecourts in Plymouth have been empty all week, several had fuel today but everyone who hasn't been able to get fuel all week were obviously filling up.

In all honesty I think most people are oblivious to anything happening tomorrow, most I've asked have no idea.


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the government will still be racking in it's 56.94p per litre on diesel. :roll:
+VAT=66.9p

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Most of the central London stations ran dry today because some clown on BBC London Radio started the chain reaction of by claiming a refinery in Essex was blocked.

The mobile phone network went into melt down as every fool with a car which was below three quarters full rushed out to fill up, because someone said . . .

Silly panicky people once again.


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the government will still be racking in it's 56.94p per litre on diesel. :roll:
+VAT=66.9p


The vat is also on the real price of the fuel so is actually higher than 66.9p
I make it nearer 73.2p based on diesel at 109p per litre. :shock:

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the government will still be racking in it's 56.94p per litre on diesel. :roll:
+VAT=66.9p


The vat is also on the real price of the fuel so is actually higher than 66.9p
I make it nearer 73.2p based on diesel at 109p per litre. :shock:
So it is. Disgusting amount of tax, whatever way it's counted :x

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