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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:25 pm 
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Is their any one up near the Granite City that can hold a sensible conversation with out getting personel and rude and writeing parrot fashion all the time. Perhaps if you all put your heads togeather you might get a full brain.

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I agree nothing bad to say about Pat he is a strong fighter for the Hackney trade in Manchester and will give our trade a run for their money as he has done in the past he is a credit to his trade sorry i can not say the same about most of the other Hackney drivers on this site.

Stationloon as an example just another idiot from up north.


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Is their any one up near the Granite City that can hold a sensible conversation with out getting personel and rude and writeing parrot fashion all the time. Perhaps if you all put your heads togeather you might get a full brain.

Yes and we can also spell. It seems your understanding of the law is on a par with your grammar.
As for parrot fashion, I'm not the one breaking the law and claiming nothing is wrong.
You come on here and supply details of how you are breaking the law and yet claim you are not.
We need no more evidence than your own posts.
You cannot just do as you please for the sake of expediency or to line your own pockets and expect everyone to accept it's legal when it clearly is not.
The fact that the local police are not interested and turn a blind eye doesn't make it legal. Like police forces up and down the country, Manchester police want their streets cleared ASAP and wouldn't care if you took people home in cattle trucks.
The fact that the local hack trade are prepared to put up with it instead of risking their plate values is extremely myopic, but it doesn't make it legal. What you are doing, if allowed to continue, will expand and destroy the local hack trade far more surely than deregulation ever could.
Your attempts to berate the membership of this forum is as lamentable as your understanding of the law. Why are we bothered? How long do you suppose it will be before some other "Arthur Daley" decides to bring this to other cities?
When the powers that be decide that you are too much of an embarrassment to them, they will squash your operation like an insect.
You will then move on to your next dubious venture, I have no doubt.
In the meantime you will continue lining your pockets.
I wonder what will happen to all the PH drivers who will lose their livelihoods when they are prosecuted for illegal plying for hire?

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M.P.H.O.D.A. wrote:

Hackney drivers pulled in to our pick up point and knowing and abiding by the laws of our trade we did not stop them from doing so and we asked any of the PRE BOOKED customers in the queue if they would like a Hackney cab most said no they had booked a Private Hire vehicle but some understandably who were at the back of the queue took up the offer and we opened the doors for them while they got in to the Hackney vehicle.

The drivers give us a nod we nod back and off they go every one happy and as far as we are concerned we are doing what we are their to do get the club goers home.




Well this is all warm and cuddly, and makes one's eye's well up with emotion as we visualise the two sides of the Manchester trade all giving each other group hugs. :-s

But . . how do these actions make an illegal operation legal? :?

FFS, enough drivers and operators from across the country have posted on here now telling you it's against the law.

As others have said, it's good whilst it lasts, but when it does come to an end, how many of the PH drivers that have been duped into serving this set up have a job if they're prosecuted?


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I can’t help thinking of the many slogans banded about by representatives of certain organisations suggesting that without their clout you are helpless in achieving your aims and rectifying injustices? Then I look at situations in Manchester and elsewhere where these very same organisations operate and I see very little in the way of legal support to combat illegal decisions made by local councillors. Manchester is the only area in the United Kingdom where hackney carriage owners pay the wages of council “Taxi Rank Marshals”.

It is ironic that hackney carriage owners are paying for taxi rank marshals to sustain a private hire taxi rank. Every Manchester trade body was warned about the slippery slope of paying for rank marshals but as history shows the only outfit that put up any form of token resistance to the idea was the T & G. The TODA and as I understand it the GMB, were both in favour of the idea.

In short there are occasions when talking will never solve the problem because those you are talking to, actually are the problem. In many cases, those wielding power think they are unnacountable and above the law. I have no compulsion in stating that Manchester councillors fit very snugly into that description.

There is no ambiguity about the illegality surrounding the provision of this private hire taxi rank therefore we can safely assume that under such circumstances the GMB who proudly proclaim that their legal team are second to none in rectifying illegal practices, should have no difficulty in putting this illegal activity to bed in a court of law. We all know that will never happen and we ask ourselves why? In my opinion it won’t happen because the GMBPD aren’t interested in making it happen. Therefore before you join an organisation with the national stature of the GMB, make sure it is has your best interests at heart and is willing to right any illegal wrongs, if necessary through the courts.

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I can’t help thinking of the many slogans banded about by representatives of certain organisations suggesting that without their clout you are helpless in achieving your aims and rectifying injustices? Then I look at situations in Manchester and elsewhere where these very same organisations operate and I see very little in the way of legal support to combat illegal decisions made by local councillors. Manchester is the only area in the United Kingdom where hackney carriage owners pay the wages of council “Taxi Rank Marshals”.

It is ironic that hackney carriage owners are paying for taxi rank marshals to sustain a private hire taxi rank. Every Manchester trade body was warned about the slippery slope of paying for rank marshals but as history shows the only outfit that put up any form of token resistance to the idea was the T & G. The TODA and as I understand it the GMB, were both in favour of the idea.

In short there are occasions when talking will never solve the problem because those you are talking to, actually are the problem. In many cases, those wielding power think they are unnacountable and above the law. I have no compulsion in stating that Manchester councillors fit very snugly into that description.

There is no ambiguity about the illegality surrounding the provision of this private hire taxi rank therefore we can safely assume that under such circumstances the GMB who proudly proclaim that their legal team are second to none in rectifying illegal practices, should have no difficulty in putting this illegal activity to bed in a court of law. We all know that will never happen and we ask ourselves why? In my opinion it won’t happen because the GMBPD aren’t interested in making it happen. Therefore before you join an organisation with the national stature of the GMB, make sure it is has your best interests at heart and is willing to right any illegal wrongs, if necessary through the courts.

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I can't honestly say that I disagree with your thoughts....... I would ask a question....... how would you make Manchester licensing reappraise their actions.

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I can't honestly say that I disagree with your thoughts....... I would ask a question....... how would you make Manchester licensing reappraise their actions.


It would possibly involve voodoo :lol:

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I can't honestly say that I disagree with your thoughts....... I would ask a question....... how would you make Manchester licensing reappraise their actions.


It would possibly involve voodoo :lol:

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I can't honestly say that I disagree with your thoughts....... I would ask a question....... how would you make Manchester licensing reappraise their actions.

Well I suppose just asking them why they view what's happening as legal, would be a start. :?

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Sussex wrote:
MR T wrote:
I can't honestly say that I disagree with your thoughts....... I would ask a question....... how would you make Manchester licensing reappraise their actions.

Well I suppose just asking them why they view what's happening as legal, would be a start. :?
And then?

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I can't honestly say that I disagree with your thoughts....... I would ask a question....... how would you make Manchester licensing reappraise their actions.

Well I suppose just asking them why they view what's happening as legal, would be a start. :?
And then?

Well it depends on the reply.

If they say they f***ed up, then a complaint to the ombudsman might be an idea. And at least it wont be repeated.

If they come back saying it's legal because of this and that, then the taxi trade need to check out that's right. If it is, then move on, if not then prepare for war.

Pretty simple really. :wink:

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Manchester city council must have deemed this private hire pickup point illegal now that xmas is over and considering there was no provision of a private hire taxi rank at the Printworks location last weekend. It seems rather strange how one minute they can say its perfectly legal to provide a private hire rank and the next minute it is illegal? I suppose now that Mr Manchester private hire knows that it is legal there is nothing stopping him or his colleagues from from setting up private hire pick up points all over Manchester or is it his contention that he can only do that with the backing of Manchester city council in which case it just proves what a make believe world he lives in.

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Manchester city council must have deemed this private hire pickup point illegal now that xmas is over and considering there was no provision of a private hire taxi rank at the Printworks location last weekend. It seems rather strange how one minute they can say its perfectly legal to provide a private hire rank and the next minute it is illegal?

Maybe some of the taxi unions/associations should make a complaint to the Ombudsman. :?

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JD wrote:
Manchester city council must have deemed this private hire pickup point illegal now that xmas is over and considering there was no provision of a private hire taxi rank at the Printworks location last weekend. It seems rather strange how one minute they can say its perfectly legal to provide a private hire rank and the next minute it is illegal? I suppose now that Mr Manchester private hire knows that it is legal there is nothing stopping him or his colleagues from from setting up private hire pick up points all over Manchester or is it his contention that he can only do that with the backing of Manchester city council in which case it just proves what a make believe world he lives in.

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Perhaps the document you produced changed their licensing officers minds?

In that case the GMB should be thanking you for doing the job they should have been tackling in the first case.


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Perhaps the document you produced changed their licensing officers minds?

In that case the GMB should be thanking you for doing the job they should have been tackling in the first case.


I think its more to do with the festive season coming to an end than any affect my document might have had.

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