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PostPosted: Fri Jan 18, 2008 5:08 pm 
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basically what they are saying is all disabled regardless of if they are in a wheelchair must have access to a taxi that can be stoped on the street so saloons must be licenced as they may not be able to get into a WAV as the DDA stated 78% of the disabled population cannot


So are you saying that councils should licence saloons, or a mixed fleet, because if you're saying a mixed fleet then that contradicts what you said about WAVs earlier.

You surely can't disagree that the guidance allows for at least some WAVs, thus this contridicts what you said earlier?


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basically what they are saying is all disabled regardless of if they are in a wheelchair must have access to a taxi that can be stoped on the street so saloons must be licenced as they may not be able to get into a WAV as the DDA stated 78% of the disabled population cannot


So are you saying that councils should licence saloons, or a mixed fleet, because if you're saying a mixed fleet then that contradicts what you said about WAVs earlier.

You surely can't disagree that the guidance allows for at least some WAVs, thus this contridicts what you said earlier?


No what I am saying is that your council cannot have an all WAV policy, as it would be in breach of the DDA as those not in a wheelchair may not be able to get into a WAV therefor restricting there rights to a taxi that can be hailed or obtained from a rank


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I think they are trying to stop "home conversions" ................ as most of the Specialist Vehicle Converters gain M1 approval for their completed vehicles.

For the other converters "single type approval" can be obtained, and it is likely to be on this point that any decision will be challenged ............ if the specification is restricted to vehicles with M1 Status.

So, your E7 is classified as M1, your LTI is classified as M1 and so is your Ford Mondeo ................. unfortunatly buying an old Fiat Schudo and a conversion kit for it will not continue to be M1 (as it had when it was a van) and would have to be single type approved ................ even then though it would not be M1.

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No what I am saying is that your council cannot have an all WAV policy, as it would be in breach of the DDA as those not in a wheelchair may not be able to get into a WAV therefor restricting there rights to a taxi that can be hailed or obtained from a rank


So if you're saying that a council can have a part-WAV policy then you're disagreeing with the Sneddon judgement, whereas earlier you seemed to be agreeing with it?

As for the DDA, there's never been anything implemented regarding taxi accessability - that's mentioned in the guidance as well.


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So if you're saying that a council can have a part-WAV policy then you're disagreeing with the Sneddon judgement, whereas earlier you seemed to be agreeing with it?
That about sums up the confusion that is Scottish taxi licensing at the moment. We have a Sheriff in Paisley who says councils don't have the power to specify WAVs and best practice that says they do. :?

How much the best practice is worth remains to be seen because, as JD pointed out, it has been copied from the English version and doesn't take proper account of the different law here.

The sheriff's view of the power of councils will be argued at the court of session. Until then confusion reigns.

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. Such policy could provide greater flexibility in allowing new vehicle types to be considered.


Read things through before posting it saves on arguments :wink:


You should practise what you preach Skippy.

Read through the Best practise GUIDANCE.

And take it for what it is. ADVICE, not law. GUIDANCE, not law.

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And take it for what it is. ADVICE, not law. GUIDANCE, not law.

Thing is gov guidance is taken very seriously by the courts. Especially by a judge looking for promotion. :roll: :roll:

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Sussex wrote:
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And take it for what it is. ADVICE, not law. GUIDANCE, not law.

Thing is gov guidance is taken very seriously by the courts. Especially by a judge looking for promotion. :roll: :roll:


Judges interpret the LAW, not GUIDANCE.


GUIDANCE. noun. help, advice, or instruction, usually ( :lol: ) from someone with more experience.

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skippy edinburgh and glasgow have a wav only policy why is it allowed there then? :mrgreen:


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skippy edinburgh and glasgow have a wav only policy why is it allowed there then? :mrgreen:
The recent Sneddon v Renfrewshire case says that it is an illegal condition.

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what odds are TDO giving on the lord concurring with the sherriff ???


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what odds are TDO giving on the lord concurring with the sherriff ???

I think it's 50 50. :roll: :roll:

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what odds are TDO giving on the lord concurring with the sherriff ???


Maybes aye, maybes naw. :roll:


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