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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:50 pm 
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All you need to know about the rules for the taxi/PH trade in relation to disabled folks.

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/Docu ... tehire.pdf

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2.1 What is an ‘accessible taxi’?
It is not uncommon to hear reference to an ‘accessible taxi’,
however this is not a term we use in this guide. In general when
someone talks of an accessible taxi they mean one which can
accommodate someone who needs to travel in the vehicle
seated in a wheelchair. However many people with other
impairments find that such vehicles present barriers to them
because they may have a high floor which involves a big step
up, or, in the case of the London-style cab and some other
converted vehicles, there is a large space from the entrance to
the seat. Although the latest designs of the London cab include
features such as a swivel seat to resolve such problems there
are many disabled people who find a conventional saloon car
easier to use.
The Government has the power under the DDA to issue
regulations governing the design of taxis (but not PHV/Cs) so
that they are accessible to all disabled people, but to date they
have not used this power. Consequently there is no vehicle
which we can confidently state would be regarded as
accessible to all disabled people.


This section is interesting as it states that in not so many words that an all WAV policy is not desirable and that saloons should be licenced as taxis so that all the disabled are catered for
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skippy41 wrote:
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2.1 What is an ‘accessible taxi’?
It is not uncommon to hear reference to an ‘accessible taxi’,
however this is not a term we use in this guide. In general when
someone talks of an accessible taxi they mean one which can
accommodate someone who needs to travel in the vehicle
seated in a wheelchair. However many people with other
impairments find that such vehicles present barriers to them
because they may have a high floor which involves a big step
up, or, in the case of the London-style cab and some other
converted vehicles, there is a large space from the entrance to
the seat. Although the latest designs of the London cab include
features such as a swivel seat to resolve such problems there
are many disabled people who find a conventional saloon car
easier to use.
The Government has the power under the DDA to issue
regulations governing the design of taxis (but not PHV/Cs) so
that they are accessible to all disabled people, but to date they
have not used this power. Consequently there is no vehicle
which we can confidently state would be regarded as
accessible to all disabled people.


This section is interesting as it states that in not so many words that an all WAV policy is not desirable and that saloons should be licenced as taxis so that all the disabled are catered for



Are you called Skippy because you jump up and down when exited?

You do at times have the appearance of a drowning man clutching at straws.

The document states no such thing in any words, let alone "so many words"

However Skippy I'll suspend disbelief for a moment and indulge you.

Theoretically then, we are told that Government policy will in future be for mixed fleets of wav and saloons. How would LA's implement this in WAV only areas, or Saloon only areas, in your opinion?

How could one proprietor be told he must provide a wav, whilst another can remain in a saloon, in the same LA?

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How could one proprietor be told he must provide a wav, whilst another can remain in a saloon, in the same LA?
Aberdeen have been doing exactly that for 13 years. :sad:

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There once was a driver called jimbo
who was described as a bit of a dimbo
he opened his mouth and hot air came out
because no one could understand his ling-go. :shock: :shock: :wink:

This would be easily done, in all Wav areas, when an owner changes his cab he can have the choice of a WAV or saloon, or let the PH convert.
in saloon only areas this could be done buy stipulating that all new owners wanting to put on a cab must put on a WAV, of some description, there by allowing them a choice of WAV that they can afford, remember there are a few more WAV manufacturers out there other than LTI
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[quote="skippy41"]There once was a driver called jimbo
who was described as a bit of a dimbo
he opened his mouth and hot air came out
because no one could understand his ling-go. :shock: :shock: :wink:

This would be easily done, in all Wav areas, when an owner changes his cab he can have the choice of a WAV or saloon, or let the PH convert.
in saloon only areas this could be done buy stipulating that all new owners wanting to put on a cab must put on a WAV, of some description, there by allowing them a choice of WAV that they can afford, remember there are a few more WAV manufacturers out there other than LTI[/quote

If all you can do is resort to pathetic dogerell I'll forget I asked.

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Jimbo I could not help myself returning a complement :wink:

But the answer to your question is FREEDOM OF CHOICE
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But the answer to your question is FREEDOM OF CHOICE


You mean freedom of choice for skippy, but no freedom for new plate holders. :roll:

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jimbo wrote:
The document states no such thing in any words, let alone "so many words"



Forum licence, just like when Judge Jimbo second-guessed a court of law last week because he knew better [-(

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TDO wrote:
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The document states no such thing in any words, let alone "so many words"



Forum licence, just like when Judge Jimbo second-guessed a court of law last week because he knew better [-(



What "Forum licence" I have a TV licence, is it the same thing?

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skippy41 wrote:
Jimbo I could not help myself returning a complement :wink:

But the answer to your question is FREEDOM OF CHOICE


What COMPLIMENT would that be then?

How is a LA supposed to introduce WAV's without REMOVING freedom of choice.

Do tell the world how you would achieve the goal of mixed fleets in the following examples.

1) LA with 100% WAV policy that restricts plate numbers.

2) LA with 100% WAV policy that does not restrict plate numbers.

3) LA with no WAV policy and no plate restrictions.

4) LA with no WAV policy that restricts plate numbers.


How, then Skippy, would you fairly and legally, achieve a mixed fleet in the above examples, of say 50/50, and more importantly retain that balance in the future?

Because I think it is impossible.

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What "Forum licence" I have a TV licence, is it the same thing?


Don't fink so, but if you really don't know then the nearest dictionary definitions are:

- a writer's or artist's freedom to deviate from fact, or from convention such as metre, grammar, or perspective, for effect.

- freedom to behave as one wishes, especially in a way which results in excessive or unacceptable behaviour.

Thus like poetic licence or artistic licence. :)

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What "Forum licence" I have a TV licence, is it the same thing?


Don't fink so, but if you really don't know then the nearest dictionary definitions are:

- a writer's or artist's freedom to deviate from fact, or from convention such as metre, grammar, or perspective, for effect.

- freedom to behave as one wishes, especially in a way which results in excessive or unacceptable behaviour.

Thus like poetic licence or artistic licence. :)



A licence to make things up then, is it?

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A licence to make things up then, is it?


Yes, jimbo, but it was a dig at you.

Perhaps it should be called Jimbo licence :lol:

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Our LA currently have no WAV policy or plate restrictions. The fleet appears to comprise, at a guess, about 15% WAVs.

Some drivers get WAVs at changeover time, some move away from WAVs at changeover time. As long as the vehicles are priced competetively, the driver's perception of the market will lead him to buy one if he thinks he will gain. If he doesn't think he will get a return on his investment, he won't buy one.

As far as I'm aware we don't have any unmet demand issues for WAVs and therefore the LA have no reason to intervene. Intelligent local government having regard to the evidence of supply and demand economics.

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