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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:37 pm 
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A Peugeot 407, Cabbyman


Any good and what problems have you had with it :?:


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I've always been aware of the exemption, but I'm forced to wear mine to shut up the seat belt warning alert in my car. ](*,)


I'm a saloon hack but always wear my belt and make sure all kids have there's on before I move and warn the adults no belt no go,


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:59 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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What are your views on this subject?

My views are that around the town/village/city a seat belt can be a pain, on the motorway they are a necessity.

But as JD says, the option is ours.


Now I am completely in disagreement with the majority on this thread.

Issue number one is that I actually employ my drivers so I have to take their safety seriously, and ensure they take their passengers safety seriously.

Your point about wearing one on the motorway but not elsewhere is mad..... The figures show you are far more at risk on local country lanes than on a motorway!!!! So why do you make that choice?

If I see any driver bypassing the warning system I issue him with a warning for serious misconduct. My logic is that, by taking this action ,he is saying to his passenger 'I don't give a [edited by admin] about my own personal safety, so you can assume that I don't care about yours either. Enjoy the ride'.

As for the exemption....I know all the figures about drivers being attacked are horrifying, but you can isolate to a tiny percentage of journeys when that will happen (ever heard of one between 08.00 and 20.00?). We can all sense when we might be at risk and that is probably less than on 1% of journeys a week.

Now you compare the number of attacks on drivers to the number of injuries taxi drivers sustain in road accidents! I reckon you are 100 times more likely to be hurt in a road accident than an attack from a customer.

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skippy41 wrote:
Any good and what problems have you had with it :?:


Done 63k since Dec 06, fully serviced every 10k.
Only I drive it, and as a very conservative driver I rarely push the car hard.

Good points:
Averages 44mpg around town, averaged 59mpg to Birmingham Airport the other week. Not bad for a 2.0 hdi/136bhp
Quiet diesel engine and a smooth and comfy ride with it's double wishbone front suspension.
6 speed, cruise control and ESP Stability Control as standard.
Euro NCAP 5 rating.
Plenty of leg room in the back.
Good boot space for a saloon due to multi-link rear suspension with dampers that are inclined rearwards.

Bad points:
Peugeot after Sales.:evil:
Warranty work - EGR valve and faulty timing belt replaced at 45k.
Warped front disks at 20k
Pressure plate went just under 50k costing £800, which is a little odd as I never ride the clutch and disengage it at traffic lights etc.
Particulate filter service at 120k will cost £500
Wind noise sometimes from large front grille.

I've just heard recently from two other 407 owners that theirs have just dropped a valve causing major and expensive damage. :shock: Although I'm not surprised with one of them as it didn't get a regular service.
Also, some have reported problems with the secondary flywheel needing replacement at around 80k costing £1,200. Mine was replaced under warranty when the pressure plate went.
EGR valve reported as a regular problem too.

I would get another if it wasn't for my experience with Peugeot after sales.

Mondeo Titanium next I think.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:13 am 
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Tom Thumb wrote:
Now you compare the number of attacks on drivers to the number of injuries taxi drivers sustain in road accidents! I reckon you are 100 times more likely to be hurt in a road accident than an attack from a customer.


Quite right IMHO
I almost always wear a seat-belt but I do also have CCTV to deter the hooligans.
I also keep a small craft knife in my sun visor to help me get out of the seat belt in an emergency, such as an accident.

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allo allo wrote:
I also keep a small craft knife in my sun visor to help me get out of the seat belt in an emergency, such as an accident.


:shock: I wonder if the courts would agree with this if you were to use it on anyone!

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Tom Thumb wrote:
Sussex wrote:
cabbyman wrote:
What are your views on this subject?

My views are that around the town/village/city a seat belt can be a pain, on the motorway they are a necessity.

But as JD says, the option is ours.


Now I am completely in disagreement with the majority on this thread.

Issue number one is that I actually employ my drivers so I have to take their safety seriously, and ensure they take their passengers safety seriously.

Your point about wearing one on the motorway but not elsewhere is mad..... The figures show you are far more at risk on local country lanes than on a motorway!!!! So why do you make that choice?

If I see any driver bypassing the warning system I issue him with a warning for serious misconduct. My logic is that, by taking this action ,he is saying to his passenger 'I don't give a [edited by admin] about my own personal safety, so you can assume that I don't care about yours either. Enjoy the ride'.

As for the exemption....I know all the figures about drivers being attacked are horrifying, but you can isolate to a tiny percentage of journeys when that will happen (ever heard of one between 08.00 and 20.00?). We can all sense when we might be at risk and that is probably less than on 1% of journeys a week.

Now you compare the number of attacks on drivers to the number of injuries taxi drivers sustain in road accidents! I reckon you are 100 times more likely to be hurt in a road accident than an attack from a customer.


I think the reason why Sussex belts up on the Motorway is probably because of the speed he is travelling at. Being involved in a collision at 70mph is far more likely to prove fatal than travelling at half that speed in an urban or even rural area.

I'm sure your sentiments for the safety of your own drivers are well meaning but every cab driver excepting most private hire drivers aren't fully dependent on work from a third party radio system that stipulates a seat belt policy. I firmly believe in choice and while this exemption is available I think we should respect each individuals choice and let them decide what is best for them. Seat belt law relating to passengers is mandatory therefore it doesn't matter what they think because at all times they have to wear a seat belt.

I don't think passengers for one moment think that drivers not wearing their seat belt are likely to be inconsiderate about their own safety or that of the passenger.

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skippy41 wrote:
I'm a saloon hack but always wear my belt and make sure all kids have there's on before I move and warn the adults no belt no go,


I always advice passengers in the rear to belt up, but as for the front...
"WTF is that noise?"
"That would be your belt sir" :lol:
After bleeping and the display flashing "Front passenger seat belt not fastened" they then reply "Oh, why didn't you tell me" :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:04 pm 
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JD wrote:
I think the reason why Sussex belts up on the Motorway is probably because of the speed he is travelling at. Being involved in a collision at 70mph is far more likely to prove fatal than travelling at half that speed in an urban or even rural area.
JD


Wrong!!!!!

I think the figure is about 75% of fatalities occur on single carriageway rural roads.

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Tom Thumb wrote:
Wrong!!!!!

I think the figure is about 75% of fatalities occur on single carriageway rural roads.

I suppose it all depends on where you work.

If you work in the sticks then you may well be right, but here in civilization on a single carriageway you are lucky to do more than 20 mph. :wink:

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Tom Thumb wrote:
JD wrote:
I think the reason why Sussex belts up on the Motorway is probably because of the speed he is travelling at. Being involved in a collision at 70mph is far more likely to prove fatal than travelling at half that speed in an urban or even rural area.
JD


Wrong!!!!!

I think the figure is about 75% of fatalities occur on single carriageway rural roads.


So no doubt you can tell us how many drivers in England died last year when not wearing seat belts and how many died wearing seat belts?

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Tom Thumb wrote:
JD wrote:
I think the reason why Sussex belts up on the Motorway is probably because of the speed he is travelling at. Being involved in a collision at 70mph is far more likely to prove fatal than travelling at half that speed in an urban or even rural area.
JD


Wrong!!!!!

I think the figure is about 75% of fatalities occur on single carriageway rural roads.


Fatalities of whom? Don't forget we are talking about drivers and seat belts and nothing else. You seem to have convinced yourself that travelling at 70 mph is less likely to incur death than someone travelling at half that speed, I don't know how many support that view but I think you might find that speeding statistics may prove you wrong. I think the general concept has always been that the faster you travel the more likely you are to be killed in an accident. Seat belts don't make better drivers and they don't reduce accidents, all they do is make the driver feel a little safer when driving their vehicle.

Someone once said to me that more accidents are caused by drivers wearing seat belts than those not wearing seat belts, I told them that is probably because there are more drivers who do wear seat belts than those that don't.

The person turned to me and said, "the reason is this, drivers who wear seat belts are less concious of their own safety because of the in built safety mechanism of the seat belt, than those drivers who drive without a seat belt but who are aware of the dangers of not having a seat belt if involved in an accident.

I suppose the moral of the story is this, "if you know there is a danger to ones health if involved in an accident, then the remedy is to drive more carefully so that you don't have an accident in the first place.

Thought provoking isn't it.

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Tom Thumb wrote:
Now you compare the number of attacks on drivers to the number of injuries taxi drivers sustain in road accidents! I reckon you are 100 times more likely to be hurt in a road accident than an attack from a customer.


I disagree. I think if you took a straw poll of TDO subscribers you will find that the majority of them have never been seriously injured in an accident but I bet many have been assaulted in some way.

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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:11 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
Tom Thumb wrote:
Wrong!!!!!

I think the figure is about 75% of fatalities occur on single carriageway rural roads.

I suppose it all depends on where you work.

If you work in the sticks then you may well be right, but here in civilization on a single carriageway you are lucky to do more than 20 mph. :wink:


If you follow this link http://www.brake.org.uk/index.php?p=1187

You will find the following information.

By type of road

Even though there are more crashes on urban roads, there are more fatal crashes on rural roads, where the default derestricted limit is often far too fast for safety. 1,704 fatal crashes occurred on rural roads in 2006 (58% of all fatal crashes). [15] People on rural roads often die in vehicles in high-speed collisions with other vehicles or in single vehicle collisions with trees and walls, often caused by taking bends too fast or overtaking in dangerous places. Drivers also kill cyclists and walkers on rural roads.

Motorways are relatively safe, due to the lack of junctions and hazards, but due to the high speeds involved motorway crashes are often fatal, accounting for about one in 17 fatal crashes in 2006. [16]

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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:14 pm 
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JD wrote:
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Now you compare the number of attacks on drivers to the number of injuries taxi drivers sustain in road accidents! I reckon you are 100 times more likely to be hurt in a road accident than an attack from a customer.


I disagree. I think if you took a straw poll of TDO subscribers you will find that the majority of them have never been seriously injured in an accident but I bet many have been assaulted in some way.

Regards

JD


You are mixing your terms here JD. But lets try it out on a separate thread.

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