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 Post subject: Re: Seat Belts
PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:36 pm 
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Wrong!!!!!

I think the figure is about 75% of fatalities occur on single carriageway rural roads.

I suppose it all depends on where you work.

If you work in the sticks then you may well be right, but here in civilization on a single carriageway you are lucky to do more than 20 mph. :wink:


If you follow this link http://www.brake.org.uk/index.php?p=1187

You will find the following information.

By type of road

Even though there are more crashes on urban roads, there are more fatal crashes on rural roads, where the default derestricted limit is often far too fast for safety. 1,704 fatal crashes occurred on rural roads in 2006 (58% of all fatal crashes). [15] People on rural roads often die in vehicles in high-speed collisions with other vehicles or in single vehicle collisions with trees and walls, often caused by taking bends too fast or overtaking in dangerous places. Drivers also kill cyclists and walkers on rural roads.

Motorways are relatively safe, due to the lack of junctions and hazards, but due to the high speeds involved motorway crashes are often fata , accounting for about one in 17 fatal crashes in 2006. [16]


Well didn't I say that is why Sussex probably belts up on the Motorway because speed is associated with fatality. These figures confirm my statement about speed and it actually says Speed is a factor in most crashes, because the faster a vehicle goes, the harder it hits and the more damage it causes.

It doesn't matter if you are on a motorway or a an urban road the main factor of death is speed and that is why Sussex belts up on the motorway.

These figures even state that speed is one of the main contributors to deaths on urban roads. Crashing at 70 mph is more likely to incur death than someone travelling at half that speed. That's what I said but obviously you disagree?

There were no statistics in these figures relating to deaths of drivers with seat belts and those without. Perhaps we can assume that more drivers were killed with a seat belt than those without.

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I don't think we are in any doubt that car safety regulations including seat belts are meant to reduce the number of driver deaths by making it easier to survive an accident.

But do these same regulations have the effect of bringing about complacency and actually have the reverse effect and increase driver deaths by encouraging reckless behaviour?

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My two penneth........crash at 70 mph and it does not mater if you are wearing a seat belt or not.

The out come will be the same, death!

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I also keep a small craft knife in my sun visor to help me get out of the seat belt in an emergency, such as an accident.


:shock: I wonder if the courts would agree with this if you were to use it on anyone!


It's purpose is to cut through a seat belt if necessary rather than be trapped by one.

However if I was being strangled with a belt and poked at an assailants hand with the 5mm blade of my craft knife to free myself, I believe that this would be considered reasonable force in my self defence claim.

But I emphasise the blade is tiny and is intended in place of one of those "Life Hammer" things you can buy which also include a blade for cutting belts.

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allo allo wrote:
But I emphasise the blade is tiny and is intended in place of one of those "Life Hammer" things you can buy which also include a blade for cutting belts.


The Life Hammer is so designed that you cannot stab anyone with it!

Could crack them over the nut with the pointy bit though :lol:


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allo allo wrote:
grandad wrote:
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I also keep a small craft knife in my sun visor to help me get out of the seat belt in an emergency, such as an accident.


:shock: I wonder if the courts would agree with this if you were to use it on anyone!


It's purpose is to cut through a seat belt if necessary rather than be trapped by one.

However if I was being strangled with a belt and poked at an assailants hand with the 5mm blade of my craft knife to free myself, I believe that this would be considered reasonable force in my self defence claim.
But I emphasise the blade is tiny and is intended in place of one of those "Life Hammer" things you can buy which also include a blade for cutting belts.


Really!! I carry this illegal blade to free myself from my seat belt and self defense. Hmmm.

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grandad wrote:
allo allo wrote:
grandad wrote:
allo allo wrote:
I also keep a small craft knife in my sun visor to help me get out of the seat belt in an emergency, such as an accident.


:shock: I wonder if the courts would agree with this if you were to use it on anyone!


It's purpose is to cut through a seat belt if necessary rather than be trapped by one.

However if I was being strangled with a belt and poked at an assailants hand with the 5mm blade of my craft knife to free myself, I believe that this would be considered reasonable force in my self defence claim.
But I emphasise the blade is tiny and is intended in place of one of those "Life Hammer" things you can buy which also include a blade for cutting belts.


Really!! I carry this illegal blade to free myself from my seat belt and self defense. Hmmm.
Agreed. More chance of getting away with it if the instrument is legal in the first place.

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grandad wrote:
allo allo wrote:
grandad wrote:
allo allo wrote:
I also keep a small craft knife in my sun visor to help me get out of the seat belt in an emergency, such as an accident.


:shock: I wonder if the courts would agree with this if you were to use it on anyone!


It's purpose is to cut through a seat belt if necessary rather than be trapped by one.

However if I was being strangled with a belt and poked at an assailants hand with the 5mm blade of my craft knife to free myself, I believe that this would be considered reasonable force in my self defence claim.
But I emphasise the blade is tiny and is intended in place of one of those "Life Hammer" things you can buy which also include a blade for cutting belts.


Really!! I carry this illegal blade to free myself from my seat belt and self defense. Hmmm.


What is everyone getting so stressed about?
I carry this tiny thing to cut through a seat belt if necessary.

All I was responding to was "Sussex" suggestion that the courts might find it a problem IF used in self defence.

I also carry a small pair of scissors because I have problems with my nails breaking easily and the tags are most annoying.

I wonder if the courts might find a problem if I gave an attacker a manicure? :D

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allo allo wrote:
grandad wrote:
allo allo wrote:
grandad wrote:
allo allo wrote:
I also keep a small craft knife in my sun visor to help me get out of the seat belt in an emergency, such as an accident.


:shock: I wonder if the courts would agree with this if you were to use it on anyone!


It's purpose is to cut through a seat belt if necessary rather than be trapped by one.

However if I was being strangled with a belt and poked at an assailants hand with the 5mm blade of my craft knife to free myself, I believe that this would be considered reasonable force in my self defence claim.
But I emphasise the blade is tiny and is intended in place of one of those "Life Hammer" things you can buy which also include a blade for cutting belts.


Really!! I carry this illegal blade to free myself from my seat belt and self defense. Hmmm.


What is everyone getting so stressed about?
I carry this tiny thing to cut through a seat belt if necessary.

All I was responding to was "Sussex" suggestion that the courts might find it a problem IF used in self defence.

I also carry a small pair of scissors because I have problems with my nails breaking easily and the tags are most annoying.

I wonder if the courts might find a problem if I gave an attacker a manicure? :D
They would if he objected :wink:

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Where do you hide the file for getting out of jail :oops: :oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Where do you hide the file for getting out of jail :oops: :oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Oh you're so old school, I use an emery board it just takes a little longer! :D

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I've also got a 3xD cell Maglite which I use , no doubt as many of you do, to see Door numbers at night.

I don't know what I would do with it if I got attacked......shine it in the attackers eyes! :shock:

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What I'm trying to say is that we mustn't succumb to the PC brigade and worry about every little thing that might be used for some other purpose when all I am talking about is what I regard as the tools of the trade.

An agency chef carrying his knife-set to a new job, a carpenter carrying his hand ( let alone power) tools, a lawyer carrying a heavy set of briefs, a pensioner with a walking-stick, could all use what they had a perfectly legitimate reason to be carrying as a self defence item.

The point is self defence and reasonable force under the circumstances.


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ps my fire extinguisher could catch someone a right clout!

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I've also got a 3xD cell Maglite which I use , no doubt as many of you do, to see Door numbers at night.

I don't know what I would do with it if I got attacked......shine it in the attackers eyes! :shock:


You would get away with that one. :wink:

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ps my fire extinguisher could catch someone a right clout!


How you going to get that out the boot, where the dft says it should be for safety reasons as some have come loose and jammed the pedals :?:
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