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I suppose its no surprise that LTI don't use this critical acclaim of their vehicles in their advertising. I wonder what Jeremy Clarkson would have thought about earlier LTI models? Considering the TX2 was one of the latest models at the time of testing he would probably have been even more scathing of those earlier models.

He voted the LTI vehicle the second most uncomfortable vehicle he has ever driven. I think most of us will testify to that but surprisingly the issue of comfort is hardly ever raised as an issue when councils are asked to relax the conditions appertaining to licensing other vehicles. I think those who are thinking of challenging their local council should take this into account as an issue and perhaps you might wish to use this article as an independent reference that LTI black cabs are the second most uncomfortable vehicles ever made. Personally I would go one step further and say they are also the nosiest vehicle ever made, certainly as a purpose built taxi.

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Verdict Passengers will be fine, just worry about the poor drivers


And now it’s time to get motoring with the news that there are equally large changes in the offing for London’s taxi drivers. Apparently there are moves afoot to let licensed cabbies tout for business in converted people carriers and vans rather than the carefully governed, disabled-friendly traditional black cab. Needless to say the people who make the traditional taxi are not best pleased. They’ve sent me a huge document explaining why it’s vital that a taxi has a turning circle of 25ft.

And they may have a point. If cabbies had to do a three-point turn every time they needed to go the other way, all the good work done by Uncle Ken’s congestion charge would be undone in an instant.

Unfortunately, the makers of the taxi don’t stop there. They go on to say that a £22,000 Renault Espace is somehow more expensive than a £27,550 LTI TXII cab and that the sliding doors on many people carriers are liable to open of their own accord, hurling rear-seat occupants into the path of an oncoming 18-wheel truck.

The message is simple. If cabbies are allowed to start using whatever takes their fancy, millions will be mangled in a juggernaut dance of death, whereas in the past 15 years - and this is true - only five people have died in the back of a black cab, four of boredom and one because he set himself on fire.

Then there’s the question of tradition. It’s pointed out that losing the black cab from the streets of London would be like replacing the bobby on the beat with half a dozen thugs in a Sherpa van and the truncheon with a Heckler & Koch sub-machinegun. It’d never happen. Even though it has.

For me the most important part of a taxi’s appeal is the man behind the wheel. Unlike anywhere else in the world he didn’t arrive in the driver’s seat that morning having spent the night crossing eastern Europe in the back of a truck. He also knows where he’s going and, as a little icing on the cake, he has been vetted to make sure he’s not a criminal.

Oh I know cabbies are the butt of everyone’s jokes and I know some of them do go on a bit about foreigners and Tony Blair and how they could have had a million pounds but chose instead to be a taxi driver. And I know they won’t take you south of the river after 10 and that they’re permanently tuned to Radio ****, but would you really want to swap them for a surly Swiss or a foul-mouthed New Yorker or one of those maniacs they use in Milan? Really?

Frankly, you could put a London cabbie in a three-wheeler and it’d still be a welcome sight on a cold, foggy, wet night in November. It’s the man that counts. Not his wheels. And my respect for what they do was eased up a notch when I spent a couple of days driving a new Ford-powered TXII.

Holy mother of Mary and sweet Jesus. If you thought cabs were uncomfortable in the back you should try the front.

The car I was lent had soft blue leather seating with yellow piping, full Wilton carpets and a wood-look dashboard. It was just like a taxi driver’s lounge in fact, except that the ashtray was plastic rather than onyx. But there was one thing missing. Space.

A taxi driver will spend upwards of 2,500 hours a year in his cab, and I’m sorry but if you had to work in such cramped conditions you’d think very carefully about murdering your boss.

I had to perform the most ungainly manoeuvre to get my left leg between the seat and the steering wheel and then there was nowhere to put it, no space at all between the brake pedal and the centre console. I now know what it feels like to be a piece of hermetically sealed cheese.

Then there are the noises. The central locking clanks into place every time you take your foot off the brake, which in London is every six seconds, and if you’ve ever wondered why taxis don’t indicate I now have the answer. Inside, when you turn the indicators on, the car beeps, a soaring descant to the angry bass growl of the engine. It’s a modern 2.4 litre Duratorq unit and yet if the very first example of internal combustion had sounded like this Karl Benz would have given up.

I’ve tried hard to think of a way to sum up the driving experience, and this is the best I can come up with. Imagine being tied in a sack and pushed into the most vicious boulder-strewn rapids on the Colorado River while listening to rap music at full volume through a set of headphones that were wired into the mains.

It’s incredible that cabbies can do this and still remember where Roland Gardens is and how best it can be approached from the arse end of Hackney.

And we haven’t got to the steering yet. I had always assumed that taxis weaved when on the motorway because this increases the distance travelled and therefore the fare. But no, they weave because every time you try to get some blood into your leg and prevent the onset of gangrene, the steering wheel moves a bit and, wehay, suddenly you’re on your way to Gatwick rather than Heathrow.

If I were to make a list of the most uncomfortable and bolshie cars I’ve ever tried, the cab would slot neatly into second place behind the notoriously small and difficult Lamborghini Countach. If I were a cab driver I promise you this: I’d go to work on the Tube.

The idea of using people carriers and vans later came to nothing as the Public Carriage Office decided to retain strict conditions on vehicle suitability, which only the black cab met

Price when tested (April 2003) £27,550

Model discontinued

Engine 2402cc, four cylinders

Power 90bhp @ 4000rpm

Torque 148 lb ft @ 1700rpm

Transmission Four-speed automatic

Fuel/CO2 36.2mpg (combined) / 243g/km

(If anyone gets 36 mpg out of any LTI vehicle especially an automatic, in the normal course business then please let us know because your vehicle is probably unique).

Top speed 83mph

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:D :D :D :D good on Clarkson for sheeting on them from a grate height.

JD have you sent it to the PCO just in case they missed it :?: :wink:


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skippy41 wrote:
:D :D :D :D good on Clarkson for sheeting on them from a grate height.

JD have you sent it to the PCO just in case they missed it :?: :wink:


Taken from Top Gear about four years ago. Just because the overtall, overweight, Clarkson cannot squeeze into the drivers seat does not mean a vehicle is crap. I recall seeing him in an E-type, looking over the windscreen. Just because a juvenile elephant cannot squeeze into a cab, is no reason to claim there is irrefutable evidence to support the blinkered view of a Scotish Kangaroo of a vehicles suitability. They should have let Hammond review the TX11.

Now though let's see Mr Clarkson play graze your knuckles reaching for the handbrake in a breadvan. If he could get in one.

I think that would be "Grate", Skippy.

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Clarkson wants to try the back of a punto with two women in the front, talking constantly about handbags, for lack of comfort. Thank goodness for my i-pod and lap top with 3G mobile internet access, or I would have gone insane by now. Are we there yet? God, I'm bored.

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jimbo wrote:
Taken from Top Gear about four years ago.


What was taken from Top Gear four years ago?

Don't you recognise the vehicle Clarkson describes?

Perhaps your love affair with LTI has reached new heights to the extent that you think the confined drivers space is a figment of everyone's imagination and in reality it's as spacious as an empty ballroom.

I'm afraid 33 grand for a piece of junk is not everyone's cup of tea.

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JD wrote:
jimbo wrote:
Taken from Top Gear about four years ago.


What was taken from Top Gear four years ago?

Don't you recognise the vehicle Clarkson describes?

Perhaps your love affair with LTI has reached new heights to the extent that you think the confined drivers space is a figment of everyone's imagination and in reality it's as spacious as an empty ballroom.

I'm afraid 33 grand for a piece of junk is not everyone's cup of tea.

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Clarksons review of the TX 11 was shown on top gear in 2004.

Yes I do.

Never owned anything LTI, and never will.

Some people pay 233 grand for a piece of junk called a Ferrari...

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jimbo wrote:
Clarksons review of the TX 11 was shown on top gear in 2004.


I wasn't aware it was 2004 but I suppose the time shift doesn't detract from the overall message? Does it.

I think Clarkson is saying LTI vehicles are overpriced and extremely uncomfortable in more ways than one and the only reason they survive is by virtue of being kept afloat by public officials who have a misguided perception about the need for a specified circumference of a turning circle. lol

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JD wrote:
jimbo wrote:
Clarksons review of the TX 11 was shown on top gear in 2004.


I wasn't aware it was 2004 but I suppose the time shift doesn't detract from the overall message? Does it.

I think Clarkson is saying LTI vehicles are overpriced and extremely uncomfortable in more ways than one and the only reason they survive is by virtue of being kept afloat by public officials who have a misguided perception about the need for a specified circumference of a turning circle. lol

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Have you been watching "Dave" JD?

There are some out there who love the turning circle. Me, for instance.

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jimbo wrote:
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jimbo wrote:
Clarksons review of the TX 11 was shown on top gear in 2004.


I wasn't aware it was 2004 but I suppose the time shift doesn't detract from the overall message? Does it.

I think Clarkson is saying LTI vehicles are overpriced and extremely uncomfortable in more ways than one and the only reason they survive is by virtue of being kept afloat by public officials who have a misguided perception about the need for a specified circumference of a turning circle. lol

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Have you been watching "Dave" JD?

There are some out there who love the turning circle. Me, for instance.


I love the turning circle too lol In fact I'm on record as saying it is one of two features that endear me to the LTI model. The other being the partition.

The turning circle is great but the chasis on which it is founded is antiquated and dangerous under certain road conditions. It certainly doesn't warrant the price and it certainly doesn't warrant the exclusion of other more modern and better built and less expensive vehicles. Any right minded person wouldn't put a turning circle in front of passenger and driver comfort or economical performance.

Who is Dave by the way?

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Wonder which wag left these inaccurate comments?

Jeremy, you think the TX2 was bad now try the extremely dangerous, (the brakes dont work) and equally torturous TX4
it would be better if the TX range was melted down instead of being made in China in the future.
the E7 is a whole lot better to drive and live with and you can get a full sized wheelchair in properly and a 7 foot driver in the front with enough room left for a disco

Graham, Galashiels, Scotland


Someone better tell "Graham" the drivers compartment in an E7 is tiny......and it doesnt matter how much room is in the back of an E7 if you cant get a wheelchair through the doors!

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Wonder which wag left these inaccurate comments?




The mind boggles? :roll:

Someone who owns and drives one on a daily basis perhaps?


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