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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:59 pm 
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I for one would be very surprised if any council would pursue this as they cant even prosecute the unlicensed cabs and limos out there working.


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I doubt that all the cars are licensed in the same area as the company taking the booking so is this illegal?

No.

But when do things have to be legal for elements of the Limo trade to abide by them? :shock:


It is not illegal then?

Yes, please ignore my previous no. :oops:

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Where the phone call is taken is the area that the vehicles and drivers must be licensed.

You can't, or shouldn't have, PH drivers from one area taking work that has been answered (or booked) from another licensed area.



I assume it's different for Hacks?

I work London on a London plate and the phones are answered in Glasgow.
If you are with comcab, I believe the calls are answered in Aberdeen.

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My logic is that the new technology has left the law behind. I am not aware of any caselaw (JD's now going to prove me wrong) where it has focused on the legality of where the booking is taken.

I am aware of companies running an office and telephonist in one town, who answers the call and enters the booking. The booking then appears on a despatchers screen at another location, out of district. And on a Sunday for example the local office isn't opened (due to costs) and the calls are diverted to where the controller is sat.

We can all divert calls.

The way a council down here looked at it, when they were considering legal action against one council that used cars from A area to service work taken in B area, was that it all depended on the telephone exchange the call was routed from.

If the exchange was in A, then only A drivers could do the work, which is straight forward enough.

Where the problems came from was when a call went through an exchange in A, but was answered in B via an internal office extension. So in theory you could indeed take work from another area, and/or send cars from another area.

As for the legal action, A council decided it was too much of a pain, but thankfully B took the action and the firm, a big one at that, was fined several thousand pounds.

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Another example. If I choose to have the server that runs my web booker sat in a computer room in ....lets say Gibraltar, where am I accepting the booking? I can despatch my vehicles from anywhere in the world via the internet.

That is an interesting development which I think has been used by companies that offer national coverage, and have been using the seven day exemption up to the end of January. In other words they can have a booking office outside of the country, and as long as their driver has a operator's license for himself, then that should be ok.

If the driver doesn't, then that should be operating without a license.

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I for one would be very surprised if any council would pursue this as they cant even prosecute the unlicensed cabs and limos out there working.

I think it will be the driver/owner that kops the problems, not necessary the operator/booking website.

I have it on good authority that TfL can't wait till the end of March when their exemption goes, and I think any limo working in London best be licensed.

And I very much look forward to an owner/driver trying the self drive scam there. :wink:

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So I have a office in A (my house phone ) I am licensed and have O license etc all in A....But when I am out working all calls are transferd to my mobil..so I could be in 20 differnt areas in a day. Will I be nicked by 20 differnt authorities each day....


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And I very much look forward to an owner/driver trying the self drive scam there.



But the owner does not drive in self drive...........or so we are told by the lying scum bags :lol:


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So I have a office in A (my house phone ) I am licensed and have O license etc all in A....But when I am out working all calls are transferd to my mobil..so I could be in 20 differnt areas in a day. Will I be nicked by 20 differnt authorities each day....


We can only hope so. :D

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And I very much look forward to an owner/driver trying the self drive scam there.



But the owner does not drive in self drive...........or so we are told by the lying scum bags :lol:


If it is a limited company, the company owns the vehicle not any individual. :roll:

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So I have a office in A (my house phone ) I am licensed and have O license etc all in A....But when I am out working all calls are transferd to my mobil..so I could be in 20 differnt areas in a day. Will I be nicked by 20 differnt authorities each day....

The law hasn't really been tested yet in relation to diverted calls, but if I was to guess I would say you would be ok.

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So I have a office in A (my house phone ) I am licensed and have O license etc all in A....But when I am out working all calls are transferd to my mobil..so I could be in 20 differnt areas in a day. Will I be nicked by 20 differnt authorities each day....

The law hasn't really been tested yet in relation to diverted calls, but if I was to guess I would say you would be ok.


My LA say you can divert calls to your mobile but you cannot divert to another address.

If I am an Operator in area A, can an operator in area B pass a booking onto me via my office, but not direct to a driver licensed in area A (except HC).

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My LA say you can divert calls to your mobile but you cannot divert to another address.

Now that's a sensible way forward, but I would be interested to know what that view is based on.

Other than maybe a hunch. :?

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If I am an Operator in area A, can an operator in area B pass a booking onto me via my office, but not direct to a driver licensed in area A (except HC).

No, otherwise all PH drivers would just get their own ops license and the cross-border hiring issue would be no-more.

Hmmmmm. :-k

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A bit confusing or what so if i have a office & operators license in area A and all my drivers are licensed by the same authority but my 2nd office is in area B which i have a operators license and drivers working under that authority and i take all the jobs in area B by one person sitting there and he or she sends the jobs to the call centre in area A and then it is dispatched to the drivers in area B is that legal? Also i myself live in area C but i can have a booking terminal at home via the net with an ip hanset linked to our phone system in the call centre and take calls from home but they are taken in area C but the jobs are despatched from the call centre so i take the call on our remote terminal in a totally different authority but send it to our call centre to be despatched is that legal?????????????


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