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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:22 pm 
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Thats not important Skull, but I worked for it, so what?

The next one or two, who knows. :wink:

I just wonder if it's maybe a question of self confidence here, why do Scottish people feel the need to ask someone from England for help to get a licence free gratis from our council.

I find it kind of embarrassing that someone can agree with Skippy about his fictional fare to Melrose "on the meter" when infact it doesn't add up,check it out yourself with their fare table, so it sounds more like another example of Taxi depressives online attempts to convince us we are doing it wrong and your man Jim agrees with this. :?

Here's a wee tale for you I found today.

A Canny Scot


A Scotsman named Angus walked into a bank in London and asks for the loan officer. He says he's going to the US on business for two weeks and needs to borrow 1,000 pounds. The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so Angus hands over the keys to a new Rolls Royce. The car is parked on the street in front of the bank, he has the title and everything checks out. The bank agrees to accept the car as collateral for the loan. The bank's president and its officers all enjoy a good laugh at Angus for using an expensive Rolls as collateral against a 1,000 pound loan. An employee of the bank then proceeds to drive the Rolls into the bank's underground garage and parks it there.

Two weeks later, Angus returns, repays the 1,000 pounds and the interest, which comes to 10 pounds.

The loan officer says, "Sir, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely, but we are a little puzzled. While you were away, we checked you out and found that you are a multimillionaire. What puzzles us is why would you bother to borrow 1,000 pounds?"

"Angus replied, "Where else in London can I park my car for two weeks for only 10 pounds and expect it to be there when I return?"



http://www.electricscotland.com/humour/h79.htm


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Why not try and dry the tears from your eyes eh! :-({|=


Stu, you're a bampot.


Btw, how much did you pay for your plate? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You need help Mr. Unstable :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Did he buy yours ?????????????????? :roll:

B. Lucky :D


Well done the Skull for exploiting a loophole.

Now if I'm correct there are 1200 licenced cabs in Edinburgh, if the council where to lift the restrictions, possibly everyone who is renting at the moment would get there own plate and cab, now the person who is renting them out would be left with a cab but no driver, so he sells the cab to who ever wants to buy it at a discount of course, so that the driver with a free plate buys one and works for himself, so by the end of the day, there will be very few extra cabs going on.
All driver want is to be able to work for themselves and there families without forking out vasts amounts in rentals every week and be able to work when they want.


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Well GA I doubt many would disagree with that but there are a number of issues that have so far been ignored in the great Jasbar saga of de-restriction.

I doubt it will ever happen, at least not in the way Jasbar and the rest are suggesting and not unless other issues are sorted out first, but there is little point in trying to discuss these issues with such blinkered thinkers.

I would also add that as is usual in this country the money goes to those least deserving of it. :lol: Only joking :wink:


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I find it kind of embarrassing that someone can agree with Skippy about his fictional fare to Melrose "on the meter" when infact it doesn't add up,check it out yourself with their fare table, so it sounds more like another example of Taxi depressives online attempts to convince us we are doing it wrong and your man Jim agrees with this.


If you had bothered to work it out correctly you will find that its correct :roll:

going from east Drylaw dr to lennox row, then across princess st using the mound to lennon Rd to melrose 50 miles


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Why not try and dry the tears from your eyes eh! :-({|=


Stu, you're a bampot.


Btw, how much did you pay for your plate? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You need help Mr. Unstable :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Did he buy yours ?????????????????? :roll:

B. Lucky :D


Well done the Skull for exploiting a loophole.

Now if I'm correct there are 1200 licenced cabs in Edinburgh, if the council where to lift the restrictions, possibly everyone who is renting at the moment would get there own plate and cab, now the person who is renting them out would be left with a cab but no driver, so he sells the cab to who ever wants to buy it at a discount of course, so that the driver with a free plate buys one and works for himself, so by the end of the day, there will be very few extra cabs going on.
All driver want is to be able to work for themselves and there families without forking out vasts amounts in rentals every week and be able to work when they want.


Yeah, pure genius skippy :? , So lets see if I've got this right :roll: Everyone who is currently renting gets their own cab, so the numbers are doubled right away, for the sake of argument, then those who were renting but now own their own cab will now have the opportunity to buy the cabs they used to drive at a discount so they can have two cabs, one to look at and one to drive.

Meanwhile all those who used to own one have just disappeared because they would not be able to work their own cab in the same way their ex drivers can, superb Skippy, everything will be alright. :lol:


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No Stu, all those renting will have there own cab if they want one, but there will be loads of ex rental cabs sitting in there owners drive doing nowt, unless he or she sells them, some will sell to drivers that know the cab, but others could end up a Daltons :P
Mind you Blackpool have to improve there image :wink:


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I find it kind of embarrassing that someone can agree with Skippy about his fictional fare to Melrose "on the meter" when infact it doesn't add up,check it out yourself with their fare table, so it sounds more like another example of Taxi depressives online attempts to convince us we are doing it wrong and your man Jim agrees with this.


If you had bothered to work it out correctly you will find that its correct :roll:

going from east Drylaw dr to lennox row, then across princess st using the mound to lennon Rd to melrose 50 miles



Well I make it about forty-five miles but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, however that isn't really the point, it's a Capital City not a rural idle where carrot crunchers living costs are a lot below ours.

P.S Where is Lennon Road?


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P.S Where is Lennon Road?

lennox row even :oops: we have a £2.00 start then £1.30 a mile so with all the dam lights up there the meter keeps clicking :D

Your diesel is only £1.12.9 ours is £1.20.9 :shock:


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stu wrote:
Thats not important Skull, but I worked for it, so what?

The next one or two, who knows. :wink:

I just wonder if it's maybe a question of self confidence here, why do Scottish people feel the need to ask someone from England for help to get a licence free gratis from our council.

I find it kind of embarrassing that someone can agree with Skippy about his fictional fare to Melrose "on the meter" when infact it doesn't add up,check it out yourself with their fare table, so it sounds more like another example of Taxi depressives online attempts to convince us we are doing it wrong and your man Jim agrees with this. :?

Here's a wee tale for you I found today.

A Canny Scot


A Scotsman named Angus walked into a bank in London and asks for the loan officer. He says he's going to the US on business for two weeks and needs to borrow 1,000 pounds. The bank officer says the bank will need some kind of security for the loan, so Angus hands over the keys to a new Rolls Royce. The car is parked on the street in front of the bank, he has the title and everything checks out. The bank agrees to accept the car as collateral for the loan. The bank's president and its officers all enjoy a good laugh at Angus for using an expensive Rolls as collateral against a 1,000 pound loan. An employee of the bank then proceeds to drive the Rolls into the bank's underground garage and parks it there.

Two weeks later, Angus returns, repays the 1,000 pounds and the interest, which comes to 10 pounds.

The loan officer says, "Sir, we are very happy to have had your business, and this transaction has worked out very nicely, but we are a little puzzled. While you were away, we checked you out and found that you are a multimillionaire. What puzzles us is why would you bother to borrow 1,000 pounds?"

"Angus replied, "Where else in London can I park my car for two weeks for only 10 pounds and expect it to be there when I return?"



http://www.electricscotland.com/humour/h79.htm



Who the feck spends 50K (and that’s without the price of the taxi) to buy into a depreciating market with a recession looming just around the corner? Stu you are a madman. I am struggling to find the words to express your insanity. All that money down the plughole. That’s one hell of an expensive job you’ve bought. You are now a fully paid up member of the owners club, now prepare to get shagged by every councillor in Edinburgh.

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When it comes to "deregulation of numbers" I'm opposed.

When it comes to "managed growth", providing the right consultees are being consulted, I would have to support.

To few taxis are as detrimental as to many, and the trade needs to develop negotiation skills further than "no more plates or free plates for all".

If the answer was so simple, as the debating genius that is Skull keeps demanding we change our opinions to his keeps telling us, then areas which have seen a free for all actually puts THE DRIVERS in a worse financial position threatening the security of THEIR FAMILIES.

The point is clear .................. after years of the same $hit ................ Skull got a plate for FREE and then sold it ................. and now he's after another FOR FREE.

Now .................. exactly where is the benefit to drivers IN ALLOWING THESE GREEDY SELF SERVING BARSTEWARDS another payday in the name of the drivers who work a dam site harder than they do to make the same money this bloke (or should it be joke) made from the sale of his FREE plate.

B. Lucky :D
Drivers, being force to buy in for an artificial plate value is you’re idea of controlled growth GA. You must be having a laugh? The driver only buys in to avoid being put out of his job by a wan*stain like you in the first place. The £300 a week rental is a reminder of his lack of job security and employment status. No one wants to pay 50K or £300 to prop up an illusion, they do it because they have no real choice. It’s either buy in, keep your mouth shut, or find another job.


Btw, I got my plate through de-restriction, and if I get another, I’ll keep punting them as long as some mug (Stu) is prepared to buy.

Btw II, the truth is GA, this is all about wan*stains like you trying to raise their status, in some desperate attempt to seek recognition form their peers.

The taxi trade up here is full of shallow little men like you GA, you talk for no one but for your own self importance.:roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:22 am 
You know something Stu, you ably represent the leading lights in our trade.

You are just plain thick.

If I stiff you, its entirely in your own mind. because you don't have the wit to understand.

In "It's a wonderfule life" George Bailey tells the customers of the Bailey building and loan about the crisis of the run on the bank, "Potter isn't selling. Potter's buying".

You have the same mentality. You can only relate to your ingrained perception of what you think works. You resist change. But its the status quo that's burying us.

Look around you Stu and see the ranked taxis. See the competition, from the corrupt council that would suppress our trade, the council's buses and taxibuses and now trams.

The political process is too corrupt to see the need for change. There are two choices here. We either win through court action or all bets are off. Whatever it takes becomes acceptable to the opposition to council fascists.

Stu, if you hurt throughout this please tell us all. We will take considerable pleasure from this.

Now trot off to your mentalily unstable pals, where yo feel some comfort zone protects you from reality. As Skull says, you're a bampot.

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Remember Skull I said either way, it's all fictional capital anyway, it never cost me anything really what with the excess rent and all.

Do you know my house is worth five times what I paid for it so although I done well I suppose, it actually means nothing to me because I viewed it as my home rather than an investment, I still do.

Nearly two decades later my plate cost more than my home but I view that as my business and of course there will be a new Euro IV vehicle to go with it.

Whether I'm a mug or not is a different thing altogether, I prefer the greatest fool theory and it may be proven right.:lol:

I remain optimistic though,nothing else for it, although I do take your point about the depreciating market but it's all swings and roundabouts really, two or three years time, who knows.


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Remember Skull I said either way, it's all fictional capital anyway, it never cost me anything really what with the excess rent and all.

Do you know my house is worth five times what I paid for it so although I done well I suppose, it actually means nothing to me because I viewed it as my home rather than an investment, I still do.

Nearly two decades later my plate cost more than my home but I view that as my business and of course there will be a new Euro IV vehicle to go with it.

Whether I'm a mug or not is a different thing altogether, I prefer the greatest fool theory and it may be proven right.:lol:

I remain optimistic though,nothing else for it, although I do take your point about the depreciating market but it's all swings and roundabouts really, two or three years time, who knows.


Yup, your pain will be a pleasure to many.

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You know something Stu, you ably represent the leading lights in our trade.

You are just plain thick.

If I stiff you, its entirely in your own mind. because you don't have the wit to understand.

In "It's a wonderfule life" George Bailey tells the customers of the Bailey building and loan about the crisis of the run on the bank, "Potter isn't selling. Potter's buying".

You have the same mentality. You can only relate to your ingrained perception of what you think works. You resist change. But its the status quo that's burying us.

Look around you Stu and see the ranked taxis. See the competition, from the corrupt council that would suppress our trade, the council's buses and taxibuses and now trams.

The political process is too corrupt to see the need for change. There are two choices here. We either win through court action or all bets are off. Whatever it takes becomes acceptable to the opposition to council fascists.

Stu, if you hurt throughout this please tell us all. We will take considerable pleasure from this.

Now trot off to your mentalily unstable pals, where yo feel some comfort zone protects you from reality. As Skull says, you're a bampot.

:lol:


I'll not be hurting,why would I, why will I? I simply cannot understand how the answer, if it is as bad as you keep saying it is, is more taxis to join the rest on the ranks along with the Trams,trains,buses and taxi-buses.

How can a taxi compete with a Tram system or a even a bus service such as Edinburghs? unfortunately life doesn't revolve solely around taxis for a large amount of people.

How can anyone take you seriously, if you recall I was against the trams, mainly for the trouble that the initial works would cause and the look of the infrastructure in the City centre of Edinburgh.

The Taxi-Buses, I was equally vocal about them as well but I suppose it's all part of the integrated transport system, whatever that is, but there's the LAQM issues as well as the other numerous problems that your favoured mode of operation would bring.

The credit crunch, so much for the unregulated market. :?

There's competition and then there's recklessness and commercial suicide.

So at the risk of boring the other readers I'll leave you to it.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 10:02 am 
"reckless and commercial suicide"?

Yes, there sure is. And that's drivers allowing owners to dictate terms. And coucnils to dictate to us all.

Listen. I didn't set the commercial rules. Our political masters decided to play the capitalist, free enterprise gig. Do I believe in it? Probably not.

But if we're going to play the game, if we're going to venture down this route, then at least let us all do so on an equal footing. Nothing more nothing less.

If this is commercial suicide then it is the entire system that fails. Capitalism doesn't work and we can all agree to replace it with the planned, government controlled economy you would have apply to the taxi trade. And only the taxi trade.

But we all have a right to an equal opportunity. You would deprive me of that.

And that's either "up against a wall with a bullet in your brain" time or you can recognise the injustice and encourage equal rights.

Your choice Stu.

:roll:

Personally I'd prefer the latter than the former.


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