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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:42 am 
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When it comes to "deregulation of numbers" I'm opposed.

When it comes to "managed growth", providing the right consultees are being consulted, I would have to support.

To few taxis are as detrimental as to many, and the trade needs to develop negotiation skills further than "no more plates or free plates for all".

If the answer was so simple, as the debating genius that is Skull keeps demanding we change our opinions to his keeps telling us, then areas which have seen a free for all actually puts THE DRIVERS in a worse financial position threatening the security of THEIR FAMILIES.

The point is clear .................. after years of the same $hit ................ Skull got a plate for FREE and then sold it ................. and now he's after another FOR FREE.

Now .................. exactly where is the benefit to drivers IN ALLOWING THESE GREEDY SELF SERVING BARSTEWARDS another payday in the name of the drivers who work a dam site harder than they do to make the same money this bloke (or should it be joke) made from the sale of his FREE plate.

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Drivers, being force to buy in for an artificial plate value is you’re idea of controlled growth GA. You must be having a laugh? The driver only buys in to avoid being put out of his job by a wan*stain like you in the first place. The £300 a week rental is a reminder of his lack of job security and employment status. No one wants to pay 50K or £300 to prop up an illusion, they do it because they have no real choice. It’s either buy in, keep your mouth shut, or find another job.


Btw, I got my plate through de-restriction, and if I get another, I’ll keep punting them as long as some mug (Stu) is prepared to buy.

Btw II, the truth is GA, this is all about wan*stains like you trying to raise their status, in some desperate attempt to seek recognition form their peers.

The taxi trade up here is full of shallow little men like you GA, you talk for no one but for your own self importance.:roll:


The good thing about this post is that I really don't need to respond to it to make you look like an ar$e.

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I prefer the equality of opportunity, equal opportunities seems sometimes to resemble a charter for chancers in this country.

I wouldn't deny you or anyone else anything, I'm not in the position to do so anyway, looking around the forums and blogs though there appears to be mounting calls for more control of numbers rather than less.

The page on this Irish T36 just about sums it up.

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=5887882976

I agree with Sussex though, it will be decided in the courts and by government.


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I prefer the equality of opportunity, equal opportunities seems sometimes to resemble a charter for chancers in this country.

I wouldn't deny you or anyone else anything, I'm not in the position to do so anyway, looking around the forums and blogs though there appears to be mounting calls for more control of numbers rather than less.

The page on this Irish T36 just about sums it up.

http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=5887882976

I agree with Sussex though, it will be decided in the courts and by government.


Yeah, let's all rally to the cause of these drivers. Let's force our customers to queue until we can get round to picking them up and take them home. After all its not the customer who is important, its taxi drivers and owners. The customers owe us a living.

What absolute rot.

But you're right that there is a problem with part timers. Is it unreasonable to require that licences are operated only by those prepared to work full time, or at least 30 hours per week? Not sure how this could be achieved though.

But if they're required to finance their own WAV rather than work part time on someone else's taxi, that may be a good mechanism.

However, doesn't this highlight that it is long overdue for a root and branch review of taxi licensing? The problems of our trade can not be resolved by individual councils. We need to establish a working model from central government which adheres to all the commercial free market principles and Human Rights legislation.

Status quo is a mess. It needs sorted.


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Yeah, let's all rally to the cause of these drivers. Let's force our customers to queue until we can get round to picking them up and take them home. After all its not the customer who is important, its taxi drivers and owners. The customers owe us a living.

What absolute rot.



The average wait a driver in Gateshead has between jobs is approx 90 mins through the day and about 45 mins on a night.

Where you get the queues of passengers from are unique to Edinburgh or limited to the very busy times of a weekend.

When the argument for deregulation or a release of plates is made by a man who has recieved a plate FOR FREE by the council and then sold it to the highest bidder, you have to accept they are not going to look kindly on any further requests, whatever the merits.

People know they have to wait for taxis at peak weekend times, but what they don't know or understand is that at quiet times the taxis are waiting considerably longer for fares.

Tell the whole story?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:23 pm 
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Why not try and dry the tears from your eyes eh! :-({|=


You paid £50K for a plate? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Dear oh dear Stu. I was just using your mental health as a quick put down in the heat of argument. If I'd known you really are unstable I would never have mocked your affliction. And you'd have to be suspect to pay this with the market in turmoil, fares harder to come by than a Heart of Midlothian victory, the cases coming to court, councillors in the witness box, the council all at sea .......


Please accept my apology.

And my congratulations must go the supersalesman of the year, Ali T.

Next time I take delivery of the equivalent of an alpine avalanche, I'll send super Ali off to the Inuits to offload it for me at a prime rate. if anyone can he can.

Got any rellies in their tribe Stu?

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People know they have to wait for taxis at peak weekend times, but what they don't know or understand is that at quiet times the taxis are waiting considerably longer for fares.


GA does this not tell you something, that your fares could be to high, if they where reduced during the week, daytime only you would probably get more work
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I think the issue isn't solely down to number of drivers or number of vehicles, although clearly they play a part.

But the number of punters must also play it's part. In other words if no-one wants a cab, or are credit crunched out of wanting a cab, then all bets are off.

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People know they have to wait for taxis at peak weekend times, but what they don't know or understand is that at quiet times the taxis are waiting considerably longer for fares.


GA does this not tell you something, that your fares could be to high, if they where reduced during the week, daytime only you would probably get more work
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Hello Skipster,

The fares in Gateshead are around average accross the UK.

What doesn't help is the 350+ HC in an area that was, at the time of the last survey, meeting demand with 87.

Couple that with the total regeneration of our town centre, meaning massive retail closures, the delay in building "entertainment" facilities and the declining "trendyness" of our remaining single nightclub and fun-pub along with the closure of "the boat" ...................... the future looks good ................... but it is at least 5 years off.

I don't think the fares are to high (much cheaper than Newcastle) I just think that the council have destroyed the working person in Gateshead .................... short term losses for long term gain .................. and this is a Labour Council.

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GA wrote:
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When it comes to "deregulation of numbers" I'm opposed.

When it comes to "managed growth", providing the right consultees are being consulted, I would have to support.

To few taxis are as detrimental as to many, and the trade needs to develop negotiation skills further than "no more plates or free plates for all".

If the answer was so simple, as the debating genius that is Skull keeps demanding we change our opinions to his keeps telling us, then areas which have seen a free for all actually puts THE DRIVERS in a worse financial position threatening the security of THEIR FAMILIES.

The point is clear .................. after years of the same $hit ................ Skull got a plate for FREE and then sold it ................. and now he's after another FOR FREE.

Now .................. exactly where is the benefit to drivers IN ALLOWING THESE GREEDY SELF SERVING BARSTEWARDS another payday in the name of the drivers who work a dam site harder than they do to make the same money this bloke (or should it be joke) made from the sale of his FREE plate.

B. Lucky :D
Drivers, being force to buy in for an artificial plate value is you’re idea of controlled growth GA. You must be having a laugh? The driver only buys in to avoid being put out of his job by a wan*stain like you in the first place. The £300 a week rental is a reminder of his lack of job security and employment status. No one wants to pay 50K or £300 to prop up an illusion, they do it because they have no real choice. It’s either buy in, keep your mouth shut, or find another job.


Btw, I got my plate through de-restriction, and if I get another, I’ll keep punting them as long as some mug (Stu) is prepared to buy.

Btw II, the truth is GA, this is all about wan*stains like you trying to raise their status, in some desperate attempt to seek recognition form their peers.

The taxi trade up here is full of shallow little men like you GA, you talk for no one but for your own self importance.:roll:


The good thing about this post is that I really don't need to respond to it to make you look like an ar$e.

B. Lucky :D


Aye, that's right Ga, you "don't need to respond", simply because everyone knows how desperate you are to be the big man. How pathetic. You'll suck up to anyone to further your own self importance. Oh look at me Mr. T, CC I'm on yours side. I think you're great. :roll:

I think the members you once represented worked you out pretty quick. :-|

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Aye right Jim, apology rejected, is Rixa a defence for defamation? :lol:

I just said it in the "heat of the argument" twenty-five minutes later you posted your statement in response to my post and what made you think that it was about or even aimed at you anyway.

Not everythings about you, you self centred half-witted idiot.

How many times have you tried that one on these forums with people, often people who were not in anyway even connected with the taxi trade other than by the fact someone in their family drove or owned a taxi.

Anyway your a totally dreadful human being, of that there can be no doubt.


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Aye right Jim, apology rejected, is Rixa a defence for defamation? :lol:

I just said it in the "heat of the argument" twenty-five minutes later you posted your statement in response to my post and what made you think that it was about or even aimed at you anyway.

Not everythings about you, you self centred half-witted idiot.

How many times have you tried that one on these forums with people, often people who were not in anyway even connected with the taxi trade other than by the fact someone in their family drove or owned a taxi.

Anyway your a totally dreadful human being, of that there can be no doubt.


Stu, you're a basket case.

Don't you read the papers? Or listen to the radio? Or how about some market research?

I can't understand how you came up with the idea to buy at the worst time possible?

Didn't you know the council are in court on the 5th of may? That's all of the councillors on the reg-com, and their corporate services department cited as witnesses?

You would have been better gambling £1205 on an application.

Councillors will have to perjure themselves in the witness box to win and even then I don't think they can pull it off.

The press are going to be in attendance to report on the fireworks.:D

Stu, this could be the fastest 50K you've ever spent.

You're a madman.

Btw, I'm betting the council bottle it and cave in at the Eleventh Hour

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skippy41 wrote:
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People know they have to wait for taxis at peak weekend times, but what they don't know or understand is that at quiet times the taxis are waiting considerably longer for fares.


GA does this not tell you something, that your fares could be to high, if they where reduced during the week, daytime only you would probably get more work
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Tell the whole story?
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Skippy... here is an idea for you..... why don't you pay the people to get into your Taxi.... you will have loads of work.... No fuuking money... but loads of work....

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Aye right Jim, apology rejected, is Rixa a defence for defamation? :lol:

I just said it in the "heat of the argument" twenty-five minutes later you posted your statement in response to my post and what made you think that it was about or even aimed at you anyway.

Not everythings about you, you self centred half-witted idiot.

How many times have you tried that one on these forums with people, often people who were not in anyway even connected with the taxi trade other than by the fact someone in their family drove or owned a taxi.

Anyway your a totally dreadful human being, of that there can be no doubt.


Then I'll take that as a measure of success then. A compliment from you.

And a dreadful human being who warned you what was happening. Took great pains to help you avoid getting ripped off.

And, what did you do? You got yourself ripped off anyway.

There's only so much a man can do. And I did it for you and others like you. And the result is you call be a dreadful human being.

I think you've just shown everyone what the real truth is Stu.

Just think, when taxis are piling into the trade you'll still be peddling the illusion that you are a businessman.

You couldn't make this up.

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Skull, I never decided to buy in now, that was decided years ago, I checked with the Council and they reaffirmed their policy of restricting the number of taxi licences because there is no unmet demand.

Both yourself and Jim have also confirmed this by your comments that the ranks are overflowing at the moment and that we are in the midst of a depreciating market with increased competition etc.

I have to say that when I'm out and about the taxis seem to be working quite well at the moment.

What happens with the court cases is of no concern to me, that will be for higher authorities to decide, there is little point trying to second guess the outcome of these things,I lost interest in all that so don't really know or care what it's about.


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Not really Jim, the problem is that you jump to conclusions about everything and everybody, you assume to much and you know that assume makes an ass out of u and me.

At no point have I stated that I have a plate or have bought one, both you and Skull have stated that I have and who it was from and how much was paid for it.

If you want to help people like me and others like me perhaps a good way to start would be to stop ridiculing them or any friends or relatives they might have who may or may not have one of the many disabilities or any other perceived weakness that you feel may aid your argument.

To me thats the lowest of the low so if you think that is the way to help anyone or justify your argument you'd best think again.

Is that not a sign of true arrogance that you say you are doing this for me and others like me, did I ask you to do anything for me because I cannot recall that ever happening? did any of the others like me ever ask you to do this for them?

I do not accept that tactic actually, it's seems to come from an opinion that many of your fellow drivers are so thick they cannot think for themselves.


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