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Another refugee from the defunct Edinburgh taxi forum.

Once again you just prove you know nothing saf.

I hope the council does see these cases going into court. The opportunity to get answers from these scumbags is what drives the campaign.

Imagine, councillors having to justify their decisions. I hope they are well schooled. Well briefed.

And just think what the council could ultimately give up by failing here. The courts will write chpater and verse how the licensing process should be conducted. Council latitude to screw about with applicants will be lost forever.

Then there's the legal suit, the resignations, the careers finished ... and all because of council skulduggery.

No saf, as I've said before, all of those who think they're entitled to the restrictive practice of licence restriction, at the expense of the travelling public and drivers, should write to the council and implore them to go into court.

I implore you to do so. In fact I think I will do it myself.

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Unlike you Jim i don't claim to know it all,what i do know is that it's the same old rubbish coming out you and Gary's mouths,"we're going to do this,we're going to do that",your like a couple of old women that think they know it all.You have no evidence what so ever on an unmet demand,if you did i'm sure you would let us all see it, yet you go on telling everyone that will listen that the public are being let down.We all see you driving about, like us, with your light on,so where is all this unmet demand Jim?.If this unmet demand existed i'm sure Gary would'nt be in the financial mess that he finds himself.The only people that are being let down are the ones that think you and heed the baw have got the benefit of the average driver at heart.You are doing this for one reason and for one reason only and that is your own personal greed.We know what will happen if you where to succeed,granted licence one day,then want the trade restricted again so that you could sell your plate.Don't believe that, well just look at some of your brain dead side kicks posts.At least he admits he just wants to see people who have paid for a plate suffer, where as you make out you want to help everybody who drives for someone.Remember the article in the Edinburgh Evening News a couple of years back Jim,where you are quoted as saying,"Edinburgh does not need any more taxi's on it's streets,it would be the end of the trade as we know it".Now funny that it's all changed because you want a plate of your own and you don't want to do what everybody else thats got one has done and that is buy one.
Everyone sees you for what you are Jim and thats a sad insignificant little man that wants to see his name up in lights and does'nt care how he gets there. :sad:


The drivers know the truth Saf.

The looming recession has proved our case for - one driver - one cab.

The drivers I speak to have grave doubts about the rentals they pay, the hours they work and the pitiful money they make, and all to prop- up the owners little illusion.

Why pay £300+ for a rental when you can own an E7 that doubles as your private car for £200 a week, all in?


The drivers see through the SCAM Saf, and it’s only right that the choice to drive or own should be theirs.
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Why don't these fictional drivers not buy a business and then buy a vehicle for £200 a week "all in" to continue that business. 8)

Could you tell me Skull how many of the six plates that were issued previously ended up on new vehicles by those who initially won the plates?

I feel it's only right to point out to these drivers who are working long hours for their pitiful remuneration that with double the amount of vehicles you will only receive half of the pitiful remuneration you get now.

Fleet quality will suffer and so will your earnings, "the looming recession proves our case for - one driver- one cab", now who's mentally unstable. :lol:

What is it again 3600 drivers, best make that a third of your current pitiful takings guys. :wink:

The Folie a deux shows no sign of ending between Jim and Skull, after all these years you must realise your campaign is being viewed with contempt by all involved.

Your arguments are weak and contradictory, one minute there is unmet demand and the council are liars, next you are telling us the ranks are overflowing and drivers are earning a pittance.

Jim tells me he has done this on my behalf and others like me but he knows he is doing it for himself but is to far gone to know any better.

Edinburgh will never derestrict the number of Taxis that operate in the City, the reasons for this are to complex to go into with such one dimensional individuals. :lol:


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Edinburgh will never derestrict the number of Taxis that operate in the City, the reasons for this are to complex to go into with such one dimensional individuals. :lol:


Nothing to do with the fact that it's as bent as a nine-bob note by any chance?


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Aye right Jim, apology rejected, is Rixa a defence for defamation? :lol:

I just said it in the "heat of the argument" twenty-five minutes later you posted your statement in response to my post and what made you think that it was about or even aimed at you anyway.

Not everythings about you, you self centred half-witted idiot.

How many times have you tried that one on these forums with people, often people who were not in anyway even connected with the taxi trade other than by the fact someone in their family drove or owned a taxi.

Anyway your a totally dreadful human being, of that there can be no doubt.


Stu, you're a basket case.

Don't you read the papers? Or listen to the radio? Or how about some market research?

I can't understand how you came up with the idea to buy at the worst time possible?

Didn't you know the council are in court on the 5th of may? That's all of the councillors on the reg-com, and their corporate services department cited as witnesses?

You would have been better gambling £1205 on an application.

Councillors will have to perjure themselves in the witness box to win and even then I don't think they can pull it off.

The press are going to be in attendance to report on the fireworks.:D

Stu, this could be the fastest 50K you've ever spent.

You're a madman.

Btw, I'm betting the council bottle it and cave in at the Eleventh Hour



Thats a hell of a lot of betting coming from a man who is financially embarrassed.Is this the same eleventh hour as the last case or the case before that. :lol:


Oh deary me Saf, all that fear, you must be shi*ing it big time. You should learn to hide your emotions, it only goes to expose your weakness. As for being “financially embarrassed“ think, one man and his working son without any debt. You would love to have my overheads Saf? No matter how bad it gets for me it can only be hell of a lot worse for you. I’m only glad I don’t have your money worries, now that’s what really brought you to this forum, isn’t it Saf?

What will the council do?

Are they prepared to perjure themselves in court to protect the likes of Saf?

I wouldn’t put it past them but somehow I doubt it.

If there’s one thing I’ve learned in life, is that, everything is relative. Unless you have a life style that allows you to live in a rarefied atmosphere - where time takes on a different meaning - you are just another rat.

You see Saf, I refuse to play by societies rules and quite frankly, I don’t see you or your kind as anything more than vermin. You should be thankful there are laws in this county that protect scum like you. The system obviously has a use for you that I don’t - another mindless unit of production perhaps?
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Hold on tight to that illusion Saf, I wouldn't have it any other way :)


Gary, you seem to forget what i have already told you in the past.
What would i be "shi*ing myself for? Im assuming you think i have a lot to lose.Once again Gary you are so wrong,plate bought and paid for long long ago.Bought plate in 1985 and not for 50k.Yes i have a driver and i don't charge him anywhere near the £300+ a week mark that you seem to think all drivers pay.Gary, you could not hide your emotions if your life depended on it,just have a look at all your previous rants,they are all words coming from a very desperate individual who's whole life depends on if he does or does not succeed in his crusade against the council.
You have shown your weakness far to often Gary, just look at the time you assaulted an older driver who was about double your age and 10 stone lighter [-X Gary we both know about your financial situation don't we,you are on your knees praying that you get a plate,this is the only way you see yourself getting out of this.You want yet another plate so you can sell it on and still carry on your hatred towards anything taxi and council related.Just ask your wee pal Ali T,all the morals he was supposed to have went out the window.Why would i want your overheads Gary,that means i would be up to my eyes in debt.My overheads are just fine Gary,if they where not i would'nt have went away on my second holiday this year and just renewed my car :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Tell me how many times you been away since you started your nonsense?
What really brought me to this forum was to show you as the hideous little man you are.Gary the "skull"Thomson,sounds like a name you made up after you assaulted the old man.Heres a better and more fitting one for you Gary....Gary the"coward"Thomson,i think this is more suited don't you. After the court hearing will you and your hero come on here and tell us all what really happened,or will you come up with more of the same rubbish that the council and everybody involved are corrupt :oops:


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Nothing whatsoever to do with that Fae Fife, the cheek of it.

Same old arguments though,managed growth is the way forward, consultation and consensus is the sensible way.

Equal rights are a two way Street you know.

I paid for my equal rights because I used the opportunity to do so, are you telling me that nobody else has the same opportunity to do the same.

Some of you seem very fatalistic to me in your outlooks, the only way to cure it is to kill it! When infact a little medicine would do the trick just as well.


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Another refugee from the defunct Edinburgh taxi forum.

Once again you just prove you know nothing saf.

I hope the council does see these cases going into court. The opportunity to get answers from these scumbags is what drives the campaign.

Imagine, councillors having to justify their decisions. I hope they are well schooled. Well briefed.

And just think what the council could ultimately give up by failing here. The courts will write chpater and verse how the licensing process should be conducted. Council latitude to screw about with applicants will be lost forever.

Then there's the legal suit, the resignations, the careers finished ... and all because of council skulduggery.

No saf, as I've said before, all of those who think they're entitled to the restrictive practice of licence restriction, at the expense of the travelling public and drivers, should write to the council and implore them to go into court.

I implore you to do so. In fact I think I will do it myself.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Unlike you Jim i don't claim to know it all,what i do know is that it's the same old rubbish coming out you and Gary's mouths,"we're going to do this,we're going to do that",your like a couple of old women that think they know it all.You have no evidence what so ever on an unmet demand,if you did i'm sure you would let us all see it, yet you go on telling everyone that will listen that the public are being let down.We all see you driving about, like us, with your light on,so where is all this unmet demand Jim?.If this unmet demand existed i'm sure Gary would'nt be in the financial mess that he finds himself.The only people that are being let down are the ones that think you and heed the baw have got the benefit of the average driver at heart.You are doing this for one reason and for one reason only and that is your own personal greed.We know what will happen if you where to succeed,granted licence one day,then want the trade restricted again so that you could sell your plate.Don't believe that, well just look at some of your brain dead side kicks posts.At least he admits he just wants to see people who have paid for a plate suffer, where as you make out you want to help everybody who drives for someone.Remember the article in the Edinburgh Evening News a couple of years back Jim,where you are quoted as saying,"Edinburgh does not need any more taxi's on it's streets,it would be the end of the trade as we know it".Now funny that it's all changed because you want a plate of your own and you don't want to do what everybody else thats got one has done and that is buy one.
Everyone sees you for what you are Jim and thats a sad insignificant little man that wants to see his name up in lights and does'nt care how he gets there. :sad:


The drivers know the truth Saf.

The looming recession has proved our case for - one driver - one cab.

The drivers I speak to have grave doubts about the rentals they pay, the hours they work and the pitiful money they make, and all to prop- up the owners little illusion.

Why pay £300+ for a rental when you can own an E7 that doubles as your private car for £200 a week, all in?


The drivers see through the SCAM Saf, and it’s only right that the choice to drive or own should be theirs.
:wink:


So do the same drivers you supposedly speak to think it's all going to change for the better then if they all have their own taxi's.
Another little fabrication Gary,another little lie to try and convince people you are the majority.
Do the said drivers think their hours will decrease and their income increase,do they think their out goings will be less than they are now.
So there is a looming recession,only someone like you can see the benefits of increased expenditure and decreased income,you really are a dummy Gary.Before you say that their would be no increase in out goings do the maths bright boy,taxi finance,tax,insurance and repairs and you think you will get this for £200 per week.You really have lost it. :roll:
Then you have an increase in taxi's on the road and the same amount of people using them,so put in a way even you will understand.....more taxi's on the road,less money for the driver. :roll:


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Regardless of what anyone's views are of this situation, £50,000 seems like one hell of a gamble less than a month from a court case which could make the investment worthless.

It might have been safer on the 3.30 at Haydock.

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Lifes a gamble mate, some you win and some you lose, £50k is under one quarter of the average house price in Edinburgh, if it goes down, it all goes down together and if it goes up, it all goes up together.

It's all part of the rich tapestry of life. :)


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You have no evidence what so ever on an unmet demand,if you did i'm sure you would let us all see it, yet you go on telling everyone that will listen that the public are being let down.We all see you driving about, like us, with your light on,so where is all this unmet demand Jim?.

It's worth pointing out here that an applicant for a plate doesn't need to prove anything, it is for the council that refuses an application to prove there is no demand.


Now now Sussex... I am sure you do not really mean to be misleading.... but does it not actually say that the council must know that there is no unmet demand.... I don't remember reading anywhere that it has to prove there is no unmet demand.. and I don't remember reading that council has to have a survey.... although I can remember it being recommend as best practice to have a survey........ but then the best practice guidelines, are simply guidelines, and not the law.


The legal requirement is that a council may refuse a licence application "if, but only, if it is satisfied that there is no significant demand for taxi services in the are which is unmet".

This was referred to in the Dundee case as "tightly drawn" and the use of the present tense means that the council must know what the demand situation is when the licence application "falls to be considered".

Interestingly the council interprets this to mean when the committee considers the application.

But, this is illogical. The wording of the opinion of Lady Cosgrave is in two separate parts - "falls" and "to be" considered. This seems reasonably to suggest that the two are not joined together, else the wording would have been simply "considered".

I suggest that the true interpretation is that the licence falls to be considered when the licence application is made and that consideration, according to the Act, should be made within three months, with a final decision within six months, which was reinforced in the Salteri case.

Now this suggests that the council should have any demand information available when the licence application is made. CEC didn't.

It also suggests that the information should be available certainly within the first three months provided for in the Act for the application being considered. CEC didn't have it either.

The opinion of Lady Cosgrave, based on the Coyle judgement, is that councils should keep themselves updated if the they want to refuse licences based on Section 10 (3). CEC didn't.

By the time the application were made, the council hadn't updated itself for 18 months. Despite the Jacobs 2005 survey recommending the strategy of the Taxi Action Plan to allow the council to do so. The council took no action, because it didn't have any applications before them. In fact, it was only these applications which triggered any action on their part.

In short, CEC took their eye off the ball. And what they then undertook was a complete abuse of the system by Corporate Services, recognising their deficiencies, pulling councillors into their schemes to manipulate the process to deliberately deny licences, probably to buy time.

But this is their Achilles heel. because it's not CS which is held to account, it is the councillors themselves who will have to answer the questions. And the answers have little bearing on reality, just what CS did to protect the policy.

One way or another the truth will out.

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Well GA I doubt many would disagree with that but there are a number of issues that have so far been ignored in the great Jasbar saga of de-restriction.

I doubt it will ever happen, at least not in the way Jasbar and the rest are suggesting and not unless other issues are sorted out first, but there is little point in trying to discuss these issues with such blinkered thinkers.

I would also add that as is usual in this country the money goes to those least deserving of it. :lol: Only joking :wink:


So bright boy. You allude to igonred issues. But don't tell us what they are.

So, come across with them. tell us all?

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Aye, that's right Ga, you "don't need to respond", simply because everyone knows how desperate you are to be the big man. How pathetic. You'll suck up to anyone to further your own self importance. Oh look at me Mr. T, CC I'm on yours side. I think you're great. :roll:

I think the members you once represented worked you out pretty quick. :-|


Oh yeah thats right, I suck up to Mr T and CC to further my own self importance ............................ thats why I responded to the wishes of the people I represent and left the NTA with them when they went to the GMBPDB.

You really should research your allegations before you make them.

Keep going sunshine ............. I have no idea what level is below ar$ehole but your well on your way.

B. Lucky :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Well GA I doubt many would disagree with that but there are a number of issues that have so far been ignored in the great Jasbar saga of de-restriction.

I doubt it will ever happen, at least not in the way Jasbar and the rest are suggesting and not unless other issues are sorted out first, but there is little point in trying to discuss these issues with such blinkered thinkers.

I would also add that as is usual in this country the money goes to those least deserving of it. :lol: Only joking :wink:


STU,

This whole argument seems (from the outside) to centre around CERTAIN people being given plates rather than derestriction ........................ I say this because it seems that the plates will be sold as soon as they are issued.

And I doubt anyone would consider that as being fair, unless they were set to make a few quid.

B. Lucky :D

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This whole argument seems (from the outside) to centre around CERTAIN people being given plates rather than derestriction ........................ I say this because it seems that the plates will be sold as soon as they are issued.



If plate numbers are truly derestricted, they will have no value.
Why would anyone pay for something freely available from the council?

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Aye right Jim, apology rejected, is Rixa a defence for defamation? :lol:

I just said it in the "heat of the argument" twenty-five minutes later you posted your statement in response to my post and what made you think that it was about or even aimed at you anyway.

Not everythings about you, you self centred half-witted idiot.

How many times have you tried that one on these forums with people, often people who were not in anyway even connected with the taxi trade other than by the fact someone in their family drove or owned a taxi.

Anyway your a totally dreadful human being, of that there can be no doubt.


Stu, you're a basket case.

Don't you read the papers? Or listen to the radio? Or how about some market research?

I can't understand how you came up with the idea to buy at the worst time possible?

Didn't you know the council are in court on the 5th of may? That's all of the councillors on the reg-com, and their corporate services department cited as witnesses?

You would have been better gambling £1205 on an application.

Councillors will have to perjure themselves in the witness box to win and even then I don't think they can pull it off.

The press are going to be in attendance to report on the fireworks.:D

Stu, this could be the fastest 50K you've ever spent.

You're a madman.

Btw, I'm betting the council bottle it and cave in at the Eleventh Hour



Thats a hell of a lot of betting coming from a man who is financially embarrassed.Is this the same eleventh hour as the last case or the case before that. :lol:


Oh deary me Saf, all that fear, you must be shi*ing it big time. You should learn to hide your emotions, it only goes to expose your weakness. As for being “financially embarrassed“ think, one man and his working son without any debt. You would love to have my overheads Saf? No matter how bad it gets for me it can only be hell of a lot worse for you. I’m only glad I don’t have your money worries, now that’s what really brought you to this forum, isn’t it Saf?

What will the council do?

Are they prepared to perjure themselves in court to protect the likes of Saf?

I wouldn’t put it past them but somehow I doubt it.

If there’s one thing I’ve learned in life, is that, everything is relative. Unless you have a life style that allows you to live in a rarefied atmosphere - where time takes on a different meaning - you are just another rat.

You see Saf, I refuse to play by societies rules and quite frankly, I don’t see you or your kind as anything more than vermin. You should be thankful there are laws in this county that protect scum like you. The system obviously has a use for you that I don’t - another mindless unit of production perhaps?
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Hold on tight to that illusion Saf, I wouldn't have it any other way :)


Gary, you seem to forget what i have already told you in the past.
What would i be "shi*ing myself for? Im assuming you think i have a lot to lose.Once again Gary you are so wrong,plate bought and paid for long long ago.Bought plate in 1985 and not for 50k.Yes i have a driver and i don't charge him anywhere near the £300+ a week mark that you seem to think all drivers pay.Gary, you could not hide your emotions if your life depended on it,just have a look at all your previous rants,they are all words coming from a very desperate individual who's whole life depends on if he does or does not succeed in his crusade against the council.
You have shown your weakness far to often Gary, just look at the time you assaulted an older driver who was about double your age and 10 stone lighter [-X Gary we both know about your financial situation don't we,you are on your knees praying that you get a plate,this is the only way you see yourself getting out of this.You want yet another plate so you can sell it on and still carry on your hatred towards anything taxi and council related.Just ask your wee pal Ali T,all the morals he was supposed to have went out the window.Why would i want your overheads Gary,that means i would be up to my eyes in debt.My overheads are just fine Gary,if they where not i would'nt have went away on my second holiday this year and just renewed my car :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Tell me how many times you been away since you started your nonsense?
What really brought me to this forum was to show you as the hideous little man you are.Gary the "skull"Thomson,sounds like a name you made up after you assaulted the old man.Heres a better and more fitting one for you Gary....Gary the"coward"Thomson,i think this is more suited don't you. After the court hearing will you and your hero come on here and tell us all what really happened,or will you come up with more of the same rubbish that the council and everybody involved are corrupt :oops:


You have chucked it Saf, you are off the planet :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

That's fear fu*king with your head Saf :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Oh I know, you've nothing to lose, aye right .... :roll:

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There's too many things about this that are either ignored or pushed aside for expediences sake and you keep contradicting your own arguments.

I notice from your post to Saf that you speak about your politics and how you are going to use them to beat us down, to win the argument.

I doubt anyone knows what your Politics are, one minute your Mrs Thatchers and Milton Friedman's biggest fan although you claim to be a dyed in the wool old Labour socialist, in some of your writings you would give Lenin,Marx and Engle a run for their money.

Whatever your Politics are they seem to be woefully out of date, your constantly looking back to find answers for these perceived injustices you have suffered at the hands of the council.

Perhaps you could tell me why you and you alone assumed the right to dictate the terms and conditions of the trade we all share, when did you get that remit and from whom? Not me thats for sure.

When I read some of this stuff it would appear that you may be doing this for vexatious reasons, maybe revenge or something, who knows.

One things for sure though, Edinburgh will not be deristricting the number of Taxis at your request and solely your request, some more plates being issued because of a technicality doesn't amount to derestriction.

I reckon you will have to learn to live with it for some time to come yet.

If you do not have any prior knowledge of the other issues I alluded to there is no point in speaking to you about it, it would just cause more fear for you and fear leads to prejudice and remember the mind of a bigot is like the pupil of the eye, the more light you pour on it, the more it will contract.


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