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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:57 am 
We pride ourselves in our nation that we enjoy free speech. Our politicians are quick to remind us of this, to show how fortunate we are to live in this land they've created for us.

But this is a sham. We do not enjoy free speech. We are shackled by laws which are designed to protect the vested interests that control us. That make sure only what "they" deem acceptable is published.

TDO has decided it is no different.

A post was made based on fact. It stated what actually happened. But this site, like others I hasten to add, rather than defend the right of the individual, pulled the post in the face of unreasonable opposition to it. And, having pulled that post, made no attempt to explain that they'd done so.

TDO, like many other sites, have succumbed to unwarranted threats. Free speech died.

The internet is not the emancipation of the masses. It is not the vehicle whereby an individual can make his case, to the world wide web, and seek mass opinion. It has been shown to be controlled by those who can instill the fear of legal retribution, justified or otherwise.

As a means of protest against injustice, the internet is dead. By pulling the post, TDO has proved this.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:08 pm 
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I would think that having taken the time to put a post together it must be pretty galling to have it taken off.

Would it not be prudent of those who own or manage the site to either 1) state as to why it has been pulled ( so we can all learn from that ), or 2) PM the person concerned just to clarify as to the whys, donts and nots.

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cabby john

I would venture a guess..... that Mrs TDO..... does not want to lose her house........ because some moron has used this site making libellous accusations..... one has to remember, that in litigation decrees of the damage are based on how much damage has been caused to the individual,,, directing libellous remarks on a taxi form, about a Taxi Person is about as high up the ladder as you get, and if Mr TDO leaves the offending posts on, he places himself in the position of being sued..... so the question is... if you were Mr TDO would you lose your house for the ramblings of some fool... :roll: this trade is were he makes his living

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Cry Baby :-$ :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:20 pm 
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I've got a simple solution, create your own web page dedicated to attacking everything about the trade in which you work, then you can slag off the Police, driver's, owner's, the Council, Jimmy Shand Jr, TDO, the GMB, in fact everyone and anyone without any editing by administration.

I think Alex would be somewhat releived. :-$


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:51 pm 
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I've got a simple solution, create your own web page dedicated to attacking everything about the trade in which you work, then you can slag off the Police, driver's, owner's, the Council, Jimmy Shand Jr, TDO, the GMB, in fact everyone and anyone without any editing by administration.

I think Alex would be somewhat releived. :-$


Yes, you're right. A good idea. And hosted in Timbuktu where it would have a chance of remaining on line. Isn't it curious that you can publish porn, violence and incitement to revolution much more readily than you can tell the truth about the conduct of some in the Edinburgh Taxi trade who are using Company funds to mount what is in reality a personal campaign?

But the point of the post is that free speech has died. By ignoring the premise you've accepted that you now live in a society where you have no right to free speech. In short you have very few rights.

BTW The information in the original post was factually accurate as I understand it. There will be no law suit about the content. It would have to have been founded on inaccuracy or lies to be actionable.

And anyway, there is no point sueing when the individual who is the target of your suit has no assetts to facilitate any financial redress. All you end up with is a bill for the suit that you have to meet yourself. Quality.


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I don't think free speech is dead Mr Jasper, in fact I think this country has gone so far down the liberal leftie road, we've reached a point of no return, hence the reason the country's fooked beyond repair. :roll:

Russia? China? Yes. Britain? No. But you need limits.

My point was that this site in all probability doesn’t know the in’s and out's of what going on between you, Skull and the two individuals you seem to make reference to in every second post. Therefore why would they (the site administrators) risk becoming involved with, what boils down to, a personal spat between 4 people? It would seem from Skulls recent post that legal action, rightly or wrongly, is now imminent regardless of Skulls tangible assets.

If you start, or resurrect your own site, then you're free to comment until the cows come home, and then the owner of that site could decide what is libellous or not.


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cabby john

I would venture a guess..... that Mrs TDO..... does not want to lose her house........ because some moron has used this site making libellous accusations..... one has to remember, that in litigation decrees of the damage are based on how much damage has been caused to the individual,,, directing libellous remarks on a taxi form, about a Taxi Person is about as high up the ladder as you get, and if Mr TDO leaves the offending posts on, he places himself in the position of being sued..... so the question is... if you were Mr TDO would you lose your house for the ramblings of some fool... :roll: this trade is were he makes his living


I agree with what you have said. However!

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Would it not be prudent of those who own or manage the site to either 1) state as to why it has been pulled ( so we can all learn from that ), or 2) PM the person concerned just to clarify as to the whys, donts and nots.


As opposed to "free speech" to be supposedly denied, the above would clarify the reason.

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TDO has decided it is no different.

Remind me how much info/stuff was taken off the realfastblacks site?

Why not resurrect that, and post any info on it to your hearts content?

Was the stuff about certain folks doing certain things in a certain city true or false?

Who knows? :?

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jasbar wrote:
As a means of protest against injustice, the internet is dead. By pulling the post, TDO has proved this.

Well in that case so is the printed press, and the television/radio.

The issues that were mentioned can be told by you to as many drivers in your manor in a night, than can be told to those drivers on this forum in a month.

If pressure has been put on an owner/driver to bin a witness/defendant in a forth-coming court case, then that is a police matter. :wink:

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I don't think free speech is dead Mr Jasper, in fact I think this country has gone so far down the liberal leftie road, we've reached a point of no return, hence the reason the country's fooked beyond repair.



If its not in the no10 dictionary you cannot say it :wink:
and thats getting thinner than a wafer mint :sad:


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There is no reason whatsoever for this forum to be virtually taken over in the last few weeks by a small minority of disgruntled individuals, in one city in a country over which I have no rights.

My inbox is full of posts from this forum on topics in which I have absolutely no interest. Indeed, one or two of the topics which I have originated have been taken over by this private spat, a takeover to which I object in the strongest terms.

I am not interested and the sooner TDO loses patience with such individuals and consigns them to the low lifes dustbin, the happier I'll be.

Then perhaps we can reclaim our wonderful forum and community for it's intended purpose!!


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Cabby John, Do you really think a pm explaining the whys and wherefores would have sufficed? It seems to me any excuse for a platform and the clown will perform. For an answer, yes or no will do.

Free speech is obviously not dead, otherwise the post could not have been posted in the first place. Nobody is knocking on anybody's door, dragging them away and imprisoning them for their views. The argument about free speech is about a persons right to vocally express their opinions, but to stalk a person or persons through a website, in my opinion, infringes their rights.

Anybody that uses the argument that 'there's no point suing me, because I have nothing' has obviously pre-thought his actions and considers he is above the law that applies to the rest of us.

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jasbar wrote:
GBC wrote:
I've got a simple solution, create your own web page dedicated to attacking everything about the trade in which you work, then you can slag off the Police, driver's, owner's, the Council, Jimmy Shand Jr, TDO, the GMB, in fact everyone and anyone without any editing by administration.

I think Alex would be somewhat releived. :-$


Yes, you're right. A good idea. And hosted in Timbuktu where it would have a chance of remaining on line.


Just the US will do.

They are far less worried about such things. :wink:


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