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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:08 am 
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What a poof ! Or should i say clever poof !!
I had a muscle spasm 9 years ago & was off for 3 months.
Since then i have back exercises to do (from physio) every day !
I think i will be off to the doctors soon to get same exemption.
DCC have to change policy to purpose built across the board in my opinion or face a lot of WAVS going back !!!!!


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DCC have to change policy to purpose built across the board in my opinion or face a lot of WAVS going back !!!!!


Well I see that the DTA's Mr Stephenson is using the case to argue the opposite - that it would be a nonsense to make all cabs WAVs, and he seems to reckon the ruling bolsters his case. Of course, since I believe he has a saloon plate, he would say that, wouldn't he?

The council is appealing though, according to the papers.


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When will Dundee council wake up and realise that they cannot win, as the sheriff stated they must stick to the 1982 act as written,
ffs you only ever see a councilor when they want a vote or have made an @rse of themselves again and got there mug shot in the press


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:35 pm 
Once a White Plate wrote:
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interesting stuff,i can feel my bad back playing up already,i sometimes think im the only wav in dundee thats still able to do wheelchairs,i got a job at asda last week ,i went to asda but couldn,t get on the rank space because there was 3 wavs(all injured in one way or another)sitting there


Its the same in our office,if they can,t do wheelchair work then they shouldnt get the 5,6 and 7 people jobs either.... :wink:

But why should we be penalizing our fellow drivers just because they aren't as fit and well as us?

Would we say a driver that can't lift heavy suitcases into a saloon, can't do work that doesn't involve lifting heavy suitcases? :?



The terms and conditions of your badge say that you have to help your passengers with luggage,shopping etc...So if a driver gets sent for a job and cant manage with his fare to get luggage into a car what happens then,does he just go away and make the fare wait for another car.SO IF HE CANT MANAGE A WHEELCHAIR WILL HE BE ABLE TO LIFT A SUITCASE,is what i am saying..

It will only make life much harder if the office controllers have to think,what car will i send,who is driving the car,can he lift heavy loads etc,when giving out jobs.

It is already happening as said with half the wav drivers with "bad backs".
These drivers i mentioned are fit and well with better golf handicaps than me.

Obviously there will be some guys who genuinly cant do the lifting but how many people are going to abuse this decision.

Surely for an efficient service the vast majority of drivers must be fit for the job.


Oh dear. We have concen for controllers?

NOT!!!

In case you hadn't noticed the job is about drivers. Drivers who have to earn a living. Drivers who are self employed.

Feck controllers. Feck taxi companies. Feck councillors.

You've got to get your priorities right.

And stop looking at drivers as just conon fodder for the system!!!


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jasbar wrote:
Once a White Plate wrote:
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Once a White Plate wrote:
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interesting stuff,i can feel my bad back playing up already,i sometimes think im the only wav in dundee thats still able to do wheelchairs,i got a job at asda last week ,i went to asda but couldn,t get on the rank space because there was 3 wavs(all injured in one way or another)sitting there


Its the same in our office,if they can,t do wheelchair work then they shouldnt get the 5,6 and 7 people jobs either.... :wink:

But why should we be penalizing our fellow drivers just because they aren't as fit and well as us?

Would we say a driver that can't lift heavy suitcases into a saloon, can't do work that doesn't involve lifting heavy suitcases? :?



The terms and conditions of your badge say that you have to help your passengers with luggage,shopping etc...So if a driver gets sent for a job and cant manage with his fare to get luggage into a car what happens then,does he just go away and make the fare wait for another car.SO IF HE CANT MANAGE A WHEELCHAIR WILL HE BE ABLE TO LIFT A SUITCASE,is what i am saying..

It will only make life much harder if the office controllers have to think,what car will i send,who is driving the car,can he lift heavy loads etc,when giving out jobs.

It is already happening as said with half the wav drivers with "bad backs".
These drivers i mentioned are fit and well with better golf handicaps than me.

Obviously there will be some guys who genuinly cant do the lifting but how many people are going to abuse this decision.

Surely for an efficient service the vast majority of drivers must be fit for the job.


Oh dear. We have concen for controllers?

NOT!!!

In case you hadn't noticed the job is about drivers. Drivers who have to earn a living. Drivers who are self employed.

Feck controllers. Feck taxi companies. Feck councillors.

You've got to get your priorities right.

And stop looking at drivers as just conon fodder for the system!!!


Is this yet another topic you are trying to turn into your own little agenda. [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X [-X


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Interesting debate,what we have here is Dundee City Council continuing to make bad decisions,the introduction of a WAV policy was wrong, I 'm surprised it has taken this long for a challenge to be made and be successfull.

My fellow cabbies have been sold down the river by both Mr Stevens and his former friend Mr Thorson,first of all they both insist on Tax Reference numbers to be included then after the debacle of rolling road blocks Thorson splits ranks and put's the knife right in the backs of cabbies with his proposal to make all cabs WAV,this from a man who operated a saloon cab for many years before handing the plate back to escape the tax man.

It's about time the cabbie's got their act together and appointed intelligent people to represent them only when this is done will we have a chance to save our trade.


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Fae Fife wrote:
The Dawg wrote:
DCC have to change policy to purpose built across the board in my opinion or face a lot of WAVS going back !!!!!


Well I see that the DTA's Mr Stephenson is using the case to argue the opposite - that it would be a nonsense to make all cabs WAVs, and he seems to reckon the ruling bolsters his case. Of course, since I believe he has a saloon plate, he would say that, wouldn't he?

The council is appealing though, according to the papers.

Stephen's attitude is "7 grand Picasso=F**K YOU !!
BTW Old Hack,i knw of umpteen badges & plates going back because of the Tax Reference numbers etc. because they dont want to pay their way like the legit boys so as far as im concerned ....HAPPY DAYS !!!


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i agree with dawg,my mate has had the same two driver for years,neither one of them are renewing their badges,i keep thinking how much easier it would have been for me to make my car payments if i didn,t have to compete with his dodgy drivers,mr stephens has woke up to the fact its drivers that are killing the trade not cabs,the dole claimants will still be here though all they will do is say im not driving at the present time,what we need is a driver register that can be checked by all cabbies ,then we can go back to earning decent money,going back to the original thread mr couttie has been running a private hire plate through 203020,s office for a couple of years,he probably has only been in the game for 3 years,well done to him,the council are appealing the decision but with saloons already operating i cant see them winning


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It will be very interesting to see how fewer drivers the local trade has this time next year. :roll: :roll:

Shall I start with 10%? :?

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the driver numbers are already dropping,my money has been up the last 5 nights,not by much but still up,on sat night i saw many older guys driving their own cabs that i have never seen before,the problem is there are others piling in,this thurs 01/05/08 ,23 individuals are up for badges,9 for private hire plates,3 for wav plates,six months down the line how many of the 23 badge holders will have their own cabs and be looking for drivers?a couple of weeks ago when the forms were first talked about i was in handys canteen ,talk started about fraud and a unnamed controller mentioned that an estimated 60 operators in handys office (173 cabs) are allowing their drivers to use their pin numbers,now why would they do that ?there are no checks to see who is driving the cabs and often the controller ends up talking to the wrong person,there is still no base licensing in scotland yet maybe this will force checks


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Barkit Boab has been running on a Handys car without switching his computer on ....This will not help him hide from taxman........It is the mileage that counts & please Dundee operators get it into your thick heads,the days of the gadgee drivers tail wagging the dog are OVER.
PAY OUT OR GET OUT........that is their stark choice !!


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I always find it a pleasure to read posts from the honest men of the Taxi trade ????????


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bb is one of the drivers who will turn up with his forms claiming he hasn,t been driving taxi,s,even though he regulary does six thirteen hour shifts,with no record of him on handys computer and the cab owner denying he drives for him the inland revenue would be hard pressed to prove he is working as a driver,also if he is claiming dole money they wont have an interest in him anyway,its only when you have no visible means of earnings that the revenue alarm bells sound,as i previosly said a simple solution would be for the council to make a list of all drivers who claim they are not driving and hand it to the dta,or better still make it available online,i know all the info is going on a public register but has anybody any experience of accesing it ?


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Councils frequently get it wrong, sometimes purposely and sometimes unwittingly. Dundee always knew what they were doing and they probably believed they were right but the ultimate test is through the courts and that is the only place where you will ultimately find the answers.

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interesting letter in the dundee tele tonight,second letter down

http://www.eveningtelegraph.co.uk/outpu ... tters.shtm


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