Is this a record price for a station permit?

JD · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:53 pm **Posts:** 10381

Sussex wrote:

cabbyman wrote:

I think I've missed that, Sussex.

Would you kindly give me a brief resume of Eastbourne and Watford. I think our friends up the road at Southampton Airport could be a bit sus if your answer contains what I think it might!! Many thanks.

This is the Eastbourne Judgment.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2000/410.html

These are a couple of the threads that might make it clearer.

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=3939

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=6685

As for Watford these might help. :roll:

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/watford.htm

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=424

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=1127

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/vie ... php?t=1133

And if you really want to see how much cab drivers dislike one another then read this thread from the past. ](*,)

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=361

There is some Vintage stuff amongst that lot. Well worth a read.

Regards

JD

Skull · **Joined:** Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:54 am **Posts:** 10460

GA wrote:

Skull wrote:

GA wrote:

I believe the story was covered on here Sussex.

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The richard from Scotland doesn't seem to realise that station permits are in demand .............. and because of that demand command a premium.

Permits are an invention to get drivers to pay for what was once free at source. No one owns the public. Not even National Express. Customer "Demand" is met by a restricted number of taxis available to service the public. Permits then sell for an artificial premium due to the artificial public demand for taxis created by National Express i.e. a restrictive service - punters forced to queue.

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Now in his idealistic world everyone would get everything for nothing, which is a fine principle to have, even though its not workable at any level.

You don't pay a private company to sell your services to a free public- that's why you pay a licence fee.

What a Turkey!

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I don't see the richard from Scotland complaining about the fees charged by PH offices, all of which are signifigantly more expensive than the cost of a station or airport permit ......................... so his complaint is nothing more than bluff and bluster.

What the feck are you on about now :roll:

The fact is that if a station permit didn't provide the holder with a steady stream of work and therefore income, the permit would not be worth what they are ............................ but because more income is generated by paying for a permit there will always (rightly or wrongly) be someone willing to pay. Businesses are not stupid, the recognise this and seek to increase their profits.

B. Lucky

"The fact is" taxi drivers are being ripped off simply because they haven't the brains to work out that clowns like you are selling them down the river. :roll:

So many things happen differently and under different legislation in London .................... and although I agree that the drivers there would stand together in sufficiant numbers to fight something like this I have to add that many accounts from London firms are conducted via the tendering process ..................... so the stations may not be but may other sourses of work will be.

B. Lucky :roll:

You will say any old Shi'ite. What different legislation? You have got to be having a laugh? Stand together in sufficient numbers? How can anybody stand together with the leadership quality of people like you?

Face it GA, you're only interested and your own political and financial gain. You're thirst for recognition is that what drives you, not the interests of your members or anyone else for that matter. You will do anything to achieve this goal - GA the big man, who would have thought?

Like I have told Mr T., be honest about being a [edited by admin]. :wink:

GA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:08 am

Sussex wrote:

GA wrote:

No but the number of Berwick HC plates working in Newcastle should really have been taken into consideration before you made that reply?

Nothing to do with Berwick at all.

If PH are ranked up on a station forecourt in full view of the public, then that plying for hire, as per Eastbourne.

And the only reason Watford happened was due to the PH cars being empty of drivers on the rank. Can you see this happening at Newcastle station?

I referred to PH OPERATORS not PH vehicles or drivers.

The station permits are issued for use on private land.

Surely your not suggesting that a HC cannot ply for hire on private land regardless of whether it is licensed in the same area as the private land?

Obviously your un-aware of the wider implications of a HC working under a PH contract.

B. Lucky

GA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 03, 2008 4:26 am

Skull wrote:

You will say any old Shi'ite. What different legislation? You have got to be having a laugh? Stand together in sufficient numbers? How can anybody stand together with the leadership quality of people like you?

Face it GA, you're only interested and your own political and financial gain. You're thirst for recognition is that what drives you, not the interests of your members or anyone else for that matter. You will do anything to achieve this goal - GA the big man, who would have thought?

Like I have told Mr T., be honest about being a [edited by admin]. :wink:

Your a strange count you mind. :wink:

You only have hatred for myself and MrT because we both can see through your own smoke and mirror quests to manipulate the release of plates so you can make thousands on the back of others ................. how nice it must be to not give a fook about others.

Anyway ............... I hope MrT enjoyed those VIP passes to Liverpool Sound I got for him .................... apparently Macca was superb.

B. Lucky :lol:

Sussex · **Posted:** Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:33 am

GA wrote:

Surely your not suggesting that a HC cannot ply for hire on private land regardless of whether it is licensed in the same area as the private land?

Well actually I am, but more importantly the law agrees.

Are you saying non local taxis can now 'ply for hire' outside of their manor?

GA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:05 am

What I'm saying is that they do.

B. Lucky

Sussex · **Posted:** Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:01 pm

GA wrote:

What I'm saying is that they do.

Well best the Newcastle cabbies pay for some more enforcement officers than giving their money to a bus firm. :sad:

JD · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:53 pm **Posts:** 10381

Sussex wrote:

GA wrote:

Surely your not suggesting that a HC cannot ply for hire on private land regardless of whether it is licensed in the same area as the private land?

Well actually I am, but more importantly the law agrees.

Are you saying non local taxis can now 'ply for hire' outside of their manor?

He did say that but I'm surprised he said it considering his involvement in his local taxi trade and the time he has spent on here.

Perhaps there should be a compulsory taxi course for all taxi reps so that when they open their mouth what comes out is fact and not fiction.

Regards

JD

GA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:46 pm

JD wrote:

Sussex wrote:

GA wrote:

Surely your not suggesting that a HC cannot ply for hire on private land regardless of whether it is licensed in the same area as the private land?

Well actually I am, but more importantly the law agrees.

Are you saying non local taxis can now 'ply for hire' outside of their manor?

He did say that but I'm surprised he said it considering his involvement in his local taxi trade and the time he has spent on here.

Perhaps there should be a compulsory taxi course for all taxi reps so that when they open their mouth what comes out is fact and not fiction.

Regards

JD

Like I said James .................... I didn't say they could or could not ..................... what I said was that they do.

Visit Newcastle Airport any day of the week and you will see it .............. It's of absolutely no interest to me, it no longer effects me ..................... but the simple fact of the matter is that the practice is happening every day here, if you don't believe me then come see for yourself.

B. Lucky

GA · **Posted:** Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:47 pm

Sussex wrote:

GA wrote:

What I'm saying is that they do.

Well best the Newcastle cabbies pay for some more enforcement officers than giving their money to a bus firm. :sad:

The enforcement would rather fight Berwick than get on and properly undertake their own responsibilities.

B. Lucky

JD · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:53 pm **Posts:** 10381

GA wrote:

JD wrote:

Sussex wrote:

GA wrote:

Surely your not suggesting that a HC cannot ply for hire on private land regardless of whether it is licensed in the same area as the private land?

Well actually I am, but more importantly the law agrees.

Are you saying non local taxis can now 'ply for hire' outside of their manor?

He did say that but I'm surprised he said it considering his involvement in his local taxi trade and the time he has spent on here.

Perhaps there should be a compulsory taxi course for all taxi reps so that when they open their mouth what comes out is fact and not fiction.

Regards

JD

Like I said James .................... I didn't say they could or could not ..................... what I said was that they do.

Visit Newcastle Airport any day of the week and you will see it .............. It's of absolutely no interest to me, it no longer effects me ..................... but the simple fact of the matter is that the practice is happening every day here, if you don't believe me then come see for yourself.

B. Lucky

I have no reason not to believe you and that wasn't the point I commented on.

I commented on this.

Surely your not suggesting that a HC cannot ply for hire on private land "regardless of whether it is licensed in the same area as the private land"?

I merely expressed my surprise at you appearing not to know the law in respect of plying for hire on private land. Perhaps you do know the law but found it prudent to say something contrary to fact? The above comments are yours aren't they?

Regards

JD

skippy41 · **Posted:** Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:01 pm

JD wrote:

GA wrote:

JD wrote:

Sussex wrote:

GA wrote:

Surely your not suggesting that a HC cannot ply for hire on private land regardless of whether it is licensed in the same area as the private land?

Well actually I am, but more importantly the law agrees.

Are you saying non local taxis can now 'ply for hire' outside of their manor?

He did say that but I'm surprised he said it considering his involvement in his local taxi trade and the time he has spent on here.

Perhaps there should be a compulsory taxi course for all taxi reps so that when they open their mouth what comes out is fact and not fiction.

Regards

JD

Like I said James .................... I didn't say they could or could not ..................... what I said was that they do.

Visit Newcastle Airport any day of the week and you will see it .............. It's of absolutely no interest to me, it no longer effects me ..................... but the simple fact of the matter is that the practice is happening every day here, if you don't believe me then come see for yourself.

B. Lucky

I have no reason not to believe you and that wasn't the point I commented on.

I commented on this.

Surely your not suggesting that a HC cannot ply for hire on private land "regardless of whether it is licensed in the same area as the private land"?

I merely expressed my surprise at you appearing not to know the law in respect of plying for hire on private land. Perhaps you do know the law but found it prudent to say something contrary to fact? The above comments are yours aren't they?

Regards

JD

Please excuse me for butting in here, English law being different to Scottish law, in Scotland there is no private property, so if i am correct taxis can ply anywhere up here, within there own area, while private hire must still be phoned or pre booked

JD · **Joined:** Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:53 pm **Posts:** 10381

skippy41 wrote:

Please excuse me for butting in here, English law being different to Scottish law, in Scotland there is no private property, so if i am correct taxis can ply anywhere up here, within there own area, while private hire must still be phoned or pre booked

GA was referring to Taxis outside their area.

Regards

JD

Sussex · **Posted:** Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:57 pm

skippy41 wrote:

Please excuse me for butting in here, English law being different to Scottish law, in Scotland there is no private property, so if i am correct taxis can ply anywhere up here, within there own area, while private hire must still be phoned or pre booked

I think up there they can taxis can ply anywhere as long as it's an official road/street rank or an authorized rank on land owned by someone else with their permission. PHs can't ply anywhere.

Down here it's roughly the same, but a view is taken as to what is a public and what is a private place. Private land can also be classed as public.

Skull · **Joined:** Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:54 am **Posts:** 10460

GA wrote:

Skull wrote:

You will say any old Shi'ite. What different legislation? You have got to be having a laugh? Stand together in sufficient numbers? How can anybody stand together with the leadership quality of people like you?

Face it GA, you're only interested and your own political and financial gain. You're thirst for recognition is that what drives you, not the interests of your members or anyone else for that matter. You will do anything to achieve this goal - GA the big man, who would have thought?

Like I have told Mr T., be honest about being a [edited by admin]. :wink:

Your a strange count you mind. :wink:

You only have hatred for myself and MrT because we both can see through your own smoke and mirror quests to manipulate the release of plates so you can make thousands on the back of others ................. how nice it must be to not give a fook about others.

Anyway ............... I hope MrT enjoyed those VIP passes to Liverpool Sound I got for him .................... apparently Macca was superb.

B. Lucky :lol:

I don't hate you or Mr T. I just think you are parasites. The difference between you and I, is, that you want others to believe that you are some sort of good guy. While your raison d'etre to is to feed off the weak and ignorant. I don't need to fool anyone. You on the other hand need to keep those around you weak. This means convincing them that you represent their best interests, and we all know that's a laugh.

BTW,

The plate value in Edinburgh is all about the uncertainty of a driver's employment status. Drivers find themselves desperate to secure their employment with the lure of being businessmen away to gaining status amongst their peers. They then buy into groupthink to the tune of £50,000 - their desperation means that we should all believe in the illusion they have bought and paid for.

I don't think so somehow? :roll:

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