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PostPosted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:15 pm 
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Guss I wonder if your old friend MR McLeod will lift these limits when he takes office down there :wink:

Have you emailed him to wish him luck with that PS :wink: :D


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Well see it this way then, when I can't make a living anymore because of your attitude, I shall be signing on and I will be claiming every last penny in benefit I can, yes that's right, your tax money, so you can spend endless hours in a car while I sit and do nothing, hell, maybe I can come along and blag the credit cards and put fleets of cars on in your cities, maybe then you might realise what I was on about all along.

So let's get this right.

You are in the gang that says we only want the immigrants and sh** standards as long as it fills up your restricted cab fleet?

I'm in the gang that says everyone who meets the standard should be treated the same.

Increase the entry criteria by way of higher standards, don't reduce them to keep the barons, many of them who have never driven a cab, rich.


Edinburgh is full of one plate mini-barons.
They want anything that will keep their plate values safe and supply them with drivers to pay off their ludicrous outlay.
If there was ever a shortage of drivers, they would soon be whining that the knowledge was too hard. :wink:
They need the plate limit and high rentals to survive. Loose either and they are fecked.


Actually Embra is full of Fermers frae Eberdeen at the moment. There aw looking fur a wee tart doon leef uv heard! 8) By the way freend, yer really starting to bore the pants oaf me. Gonne shut up aboot delimitation mate. Yer like a feckin broken record. What a say is this. Good luck tae ye pal, if ye ever get yer wey then according to jimbob and yerself things will be even better for the real taxi drivers. So bring it on. I'm ready to face anything you lot want to throw at me. Only remember when/if the [edited by admin] ever hits the fan, i fancy those resposible wont just have to worry about the odd funny look they get from drivers/owners they get now. :twisted:


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Well see it this way then, when I can't make a living anymore because of your attitude, I shall be signing on and I will be claiming every last penny in benefit I can, yes that's right, your tax money, so you can spend endless hours in a car while I sit and do nothing, hell, maybe I can come along and blag the credit cards and put fleets of cars on in your cities, maybe then you might realise what I was on about all along.

So let's get this right.

You are in the gang that says we only want the immigrants and sh** standards as long as it fills up your restricted cab fleet?

I'm in the gang that says everyone who meets the standard should be treated the same.

Increase the entry criteria by way of higher standards, don't reduce them to keep the barons, many of them who have never driven a cab, rich.



Nope, but unrestricting won't mean immigrants won't still be driving them, infact if you open it up they will all flood down to license their own, along with all the other fools who think they will carpet bag.


Higher standards would be a good thing, but what happens when the council says no badge you aren't up to scratch enough and the Government over rules it and says get em off the dole for us, which is happening, we've an Asian who cannot speak English driving, and he is licensed.


The solution to the problem is rigourous enforcement of one man one plate must drive it 25 hrs pw minimum, then you'll see the end of barons.

I can't believe you can't see what I say to be how it will be, there are cities all over the UK that the taxi trade is flooded out since limits lifted, I intend to do another 20 years and I don't want to, one lose my investment or have the roads turned into the Brands Hatch demolition derby meeting all week.


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gusmac wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Doom wrote:
Well see it this way then, when I can't make a living anymore because of your attitude, I shall be signing on and I will be claiming every last penny in benefit I can, yes that's right, your tax money, so you can spend endless hours in a car while I sit and do nothing, hell, maybe I can come along and blag the credit cards and put fleets of cars on in your cities, maybe then you might realise what I was on about all along.

So let's get this right.

You are in the gang that says we only want the immigrants and sh** standards as long as it fills up your restricted cab fleet?

I'm in the gang that says everyone who meets the standard should be treated the same.

Increase the entry criteria by way of higher standards, don't reduce them to keep the barons, many of them who have never driven a cab, rich.


Edinburgh is full of one plate mini-barons.
They want anything that will keep their plate values safe and supply them with drivers to pay off their ludicrous outlay.
If there was ever a shortage of drivers, they would soon be whining that the knowledge was too hard. :wink:
They need the plate limit and high rentals to survive. Loose either and they are fecked.


Actually Embra is full of Fermers frae Eberdeen at the moment. There aw looking fur a wee tart doon leef uv heard! 8) By the way freend, yer really starting to bore the pants oaf me. Gonne shut up aboot delimitation mate. Yer like a feckin broken record. What a say is this. Good luck tae ye pal, if ye ever get yer wey then according to jimbob and yerself things will be even better for the real taxi drivers. So bring it on. I'm ready to face anything you lot want to throw at me. Only remember when/if the [edited by admin] ever hits the fan, i fancy those resposible wont just have to worry about the odd funny look they get from drivers/owners they get now. :twisted:


What's this?
Threats and intimidation to maintain the status quo? Why am I not surprised.

And you wonder why drivers won't say what they really want :roll:

BTW, am nae freend o yoors an yer nae freend o mine. Gwan bile yer heid. 8)

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gusmac wrote:
Billy the Kid wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Doom wrote:
Well see it this way then, when I can't make a living anymore because of your attitude, I shall be signing on and I will be claiming every last penny in benefit I can, yes that's right, your tax money, so you can spend endless hours in a car while I sit and do nothing, hell, maybe I can come along and blag the credit cards and put fleets of cars on in your cities, maybe then you might realise what I was on about all along.

So let's get this right.

You are in the gang that says we only want the immigrants and sh** standards as long as it fills up your restricted cab fleet?

I'm in the gang that says everyone who meets the standard should be treated the same.

Increase the entry criteria by way of higher standards, don't reduce them to keep the barons, many of them who have never driven a cab, rich.


Edinburgh is full of one plate mini-barons.
They want anything that will keep their plate values safe and supply them with drivers to pay off their ludicrous outlay.
If there was ever a shortage of drivers, they would soon be whining that the knowledge was too hard. :wink:
They need the plate limit and high rentals to survive. Loose either and they are fecked.


Actually Embra is full of Fermers frae Eberdeen at the moment. There aw looking fur a wee tart doon leef uv heard! 8) By the way freend, yer really starting to bore the pants oaf me. Gonne shut up aboot delimitation mate. Yer like a feckin broken record. What a say is this. Good luck tae ye pal, if ye ever get yer wey then according to jimbob and yerself things will be even better for the real taxi drivers. So bring it on. I'm ready to face anything you lot want to throw at me. Only remember when/if the [edited by admin] ever hits the fan, i fancy those resposible wont just have to worry about the odd funny look they get from drivers/owners they get now. :twisted:


What's this?
Threats and intimidation to maintain the status quo? Why am I not surprised.

And you wonder why drivers won't say what they really want :roll:

BTW, am nae freend o yoors an yer nae freend o mine. Gwan bile yer heid. 8)

Awwww nae need to be like that ya big blouse ye! I was only guessing to what the future might hold, or are you and jombob the only ones who are allowed to that? :D Jog on muppet!


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Nope, but unrestricting won't mean immigrants won't still be driving them, infact if you open it up they will all flood down to license their own, along with all the other fools who think they will carpet bag.

I don't care who drives a cab as long as they have passed the required standards. And the higher the standards the better.

Restrictions lead to the butcher, the baker, the candlestick maker owning plates, and licensed drivers having to feed their fat guts. That IMO has no place in this trade.

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Higher standards would be a good thing, but what happens when the council says no badge you aren't up to scratch enough and the Government over rules it and says get em off the dole for us, which is happening, we've an Asian who cannot speak English driving, and he is licensed.

Is there a government proposal out there that I have missed? :?

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The solution to the problem is rigourous enforcement of one man one plate must drive it 25 hrs pw minimum, then you'll see the end of barons.

I agree with rigorous enforcement, but the rest of your quote just ain't going to happen.

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I can't believe you can't see what I say to be how it will be, there are cities all over the UK that the taxi trade is flooded out since limits lifted, I intend to do another 20 years and I don't want to, one lose my investment or have the roads turned into the Brands Hatch demolition derby meeting all week.

I see it, but can't work out the difference between an unrestricted taxi trade and an unrestricted PH trade. The PH trade have flourished without restrictions.

Why can't the taxi trade do likewise? :?

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Sussex wrote:
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I can't believe you can't see what I say to be how it will be, there are cities all over the UK that the taxi trade is flooded out since limits lifted, I intend to do another 20 years and I don't want to, one lose my investment or have the roads turned into the Brands Hatch demolition derby meeting all week.

I see it, but can't work out the difference between an unrestricted taxi trade and an unrestricted PH trade. The PH trade have flourished without restrictions.

Why can't the taxi trade do likewise? :?


The only people to flourish in the PH industry are the operators not the drivers :-|

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PH trade have flourished without restrictions.... :?: :? stroll on


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When the f*ck are you lot going to get it?????

There is a finite market of X. That market will be satisfied by H and P vehicles where H are hacks and P are PHV.

X=H+P.

Regardless of how many H are licensed, P will expand to satisfy the demand. If sufficient H are licensed to meet the demand X, very few P will be licensed.

In our borough, we have some 250 H and only 30-ish P; A ratio of over 8:1. One of the protagonists against deregulation on here is in a city where regulation has permitted the growth of what is probably one of the largest PHV companies in the country. I don't know the balance of H:P but, I'll guarantee the 8:1 ratio is round the other way and greatly exceeded. And that situation was brought about by regulation of numbers of H. The market will always, always win!!!

Suggested reading: Economics Made Simple; Or some such similar title. It's very orthwhile and will put YOU more in control of your destiny if you understand the basics of the conditions under which you are trading.


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Jog on muppet!


That's quite good, coming from someone who's every word is accompanied by a picture of Kermit. :lol:

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When the f*ck are you lot going to get it?????

There is a finite market of X. That market will be satisfied by H and P vehicles where H are hacks and P are PHV.

X=H+P.

Regardless of how many H are licensed, P will expand to satisfy the demand. If sufficient H are licensed to meet the demand X, very few P will be licensed.

In our borough, we have some 250 H and only 30-ish P; A ratio of over 8:1. One of the protagonists against deregulation on here is in a city where regulation has permitted the growth of what is probably one of the largest PHV companies in the country. I don't know the balance of H:P but, I'll guarantee the 8:1 ratio is round the other way and greatly exceeded. And that situation was brought about by regulation of numbers of H. The market will always, always win!!!

Suggested reading: Economics Made Simple; Or some such similar title. It's very orthwhile and will put YOU more in control of your destiny if you understand the basics of the conditions under which you are trading.
Basic economics.... now that's a laugh.... in Sefton we have 271 Hackney's that mainly work the road and 2700 private hire... that work the radio/ set.... in and out of Sefton.
If the Hackney fleet had expanded, we would have 3000 Hackney's. and they would all be working for the private hire companies..... and the private hire companies would be totally in control.....

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Basic economics.... now that's a laugh.... in Sefton we have 271 Hackney's that mainly work the road and 2700 private hire... that work the radio/ set.... in and out of Sefton.
If the Hackney fleet had expanded, we would have 3000 Hackney's. and they would all be working for the private hire companies..... and the private hire companies would be totally in control.....


Sefton doesn't support 2700 PH since much of their trade is from out of their area. The situation there is fairly unique, wouldn't you agree?
That does complicate the basic economics argument put forward here, and makes it a poor example to use.
BTW How many PH do you suppose Sefton would have if they worked only in Sefton?

The private hire companies may not be totally in control, but their market position could hardly be described as anything other than dominant.

I think cabbyman is close to the mark with what he says. However, I think the equation should read:

    X= (HxY)+(PxZ)

Where Y is the average number of drivers per Hack and Z is the average number of drivers per PH.

He is also correct that the market always finds it's own level, regardless of how it is manipulated.
That level will benefit some and disadvantage others, depending on how it is manipulated. 8)

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