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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:23 pm 
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Healthy competition, is how a market finds its own level. Vehicle standard is simply a regulatory requirement that needs to be enforced. You get peaks and troughs in every market.

You want to play at being a businessman, with all the advantages and none of the risks. And to do that you need drivers being denied unfettered access to the tools of their trade. They can drive as many hours as they like picking up punters but only if the hire a cab from an owner, how ridiculous is that?

I live in an area which has been de-restricted for years and there's no big push to put the cap back on. :-|


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:38 pm 
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Our Justice minister told me that in Retrospect the phc trade and to an extent the Taxi trade is a mistake from the past, it's difficult to rectify the mistakes that where made by a Tory government of the 1980s.

Gary Thomson the Key word is PAST :roll: In the Past to be more precise :wink:

If we where starting up the Taxi trade from a blank Canvass, i could see some of your views and where you are coming from but i would alway's where Edinburgh is concerned back a restriction in numbers.

You say the PHC are having an effect but as a working cabbie, i don't see it, i'm still making money, when i bought my right to use a licence there where 1000 licences, today there is 1,300, Edinburgh has grown over the last 11 years and in many way's business is still good.

Quote: Bill Purnell, 24 million radio jobs between 3 black cab companies in one year :wink:

The problem for the legislators is to sort out the retrospective mess that is the phc market, a market that does in some way threaten a trade that was for individuals, now we see corporate profiteers moving in and un-restricted at that.

The way the black cab trade is at the moment in Edinburgh is out of the corporate profiteers reach and long may that continue, if we go down your outdated route it won't be long before the corporate profiteers move in and trust me they will.

My Medalion system addresses the threat but acts fairly and without discrimination as far as competition law goes, the Medallion system is the compromise between what we have and what you want, it works in a restricted or de-restricted way, we either trade above or below but the key is we do not destroy the millions that have been invested by INDIVIDUALS who recognise and accept that this is the Trade we inherited, no blank canvass but a trade that is older than you.

Gary for your own well being give up trying to destroy a trade that you willingley left, you played your mission and now clearly see that your ideals have no chance of coming to Edinburgh, the market is what it is, i won't lose sleep if the medallion system is not adopted because i will trust and play the alternative.

What is the ALTERNATIVE is the question, what changes to the staus quo balances what we have and sorts out the problems i.e allocation :?:

I believe its restriction through cost that differenciates between Individuals and Corporate, the medallion system that i have re-worked is so far the only alternative to the status quo. :D

Gary you are starting to sound like a stuck record, give up or compromise your view :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:25 pm 
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Skull wrote:
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It has to be said, you never physically own the plate, you buy the ability to act as a cabby and the goodwill of existing custom, ok it's jumping a queue, but so it's the same when one company buys another, or in football it would be I've bought say Plymouth Argyle so I can be in the football league rather than have to start ground up and hope to win my way into the league, it happens in every field of business, it's only in the taxi trade some seem to have a problem with it, and to be extreme about it, if the taxi trade has to accept an un-regulated environment then that means nobody should ever be turned down when applying to open a bar as well and however many bars they want to open, it's the same principle, and when it's saturated to the point where men are fighting each other over a job and one pulls out a gun and shoots the other because he thought it was his job, whose going to explain to his widow how that situation was ever allowed to become?


How can you compare the pub industry to the public transport industry? There is almost no comparison.

A pub licence is not transferable, and the business is sold only on the condition the proprietor is issued with a new licence by the council.

The establishment is also subject to planning permission. You can't drive a pub around the streets picking up punters.

Oh and your "goodwill and existing custom" is a load of nonsense also. :-|


Yeah, but the pub l9icence is issued to a publican automatically, assuming that he has been a good boy and there are no criminal police objections to getting one.

Not the case with taxi operator's licences. Not only do you have to be a good boy, the council has to like you, the vested trade interests have to like you and they get the right to keep you out to protect their business, or so they think.

You wouldn't believe the fankle comcabs got into because the car I was driving used to be in their company.

Seems the drivers couldn't hack Taylor bearing their logo.

It's a joke. They're a joke.

Last week I had a central guy walk round the back of his car to assist a wheelcghir user on the Mood rank. He surreptitiously gave me a w*anker sign with his hands. As if to make sure I got the message he did it again.

Quality people Central have in their fleet?

My passenger saw it and asked what he was doing. The punter only saw the name Central. And told me he couldn't believe it.

He thinks he's making a point against me, but the point he made was to drag his comapny's name down.

And with no help from me. I just laughed.

Cabbies need to grow up. There will be no salvation for the trade until the links with the past are destroyed. The restriction allows these guys to think they have rights to protection that nobody else has.

The council is responsible for this guy's behaviour. That's the taxi trade they've encouraged.

And that's why we are going to de-restrict, to end the monopoly.

So guys, spend your 40 or 50 grand buying your illusion. Cos I'm gonna larf my cork off when you lose it.

Don't say you weren'y warned.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:41 pm 
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Luckily for us, the Taxi Trade is not populated, totally, by Trolls!

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:31 pm 
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Jasbar how many Hand signals have you had aimed at you over the Years :?: And the reason :?: Another few won't hurt then :lol: :lol: :lol:

On your post :lol: :lol: :lol:

Heard it all before :lol: :lol: :lol:

Keep running around in circles, you will eventually go dizzy and fall over :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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skull wrote:
Healthy competition, is how a market finds its own level


That's rich in the middle of a recession :roll: What level would that be?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:11 pm 
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Private Reggie wrote:
Our Justice minister told me that in Retrospect the phc trade and to an extent the Taxi trade is a mistake from the past, it's difficult to rectify the mistakes that where made by a Tory government of the 1980s.

Gary Thomson the Key word is PAST :roll: In the Past to be more precise :wink:

If we where starting up the Taxi trade from a blank Canvass, i could see some of your views and where you are coming from but i would alway's where Edinburgh is concerned back a restriction in numbers.

You say the PHC are having an effect but as a working cabbie, i don't see it, i'm still making money, when i bought my right to use a licence there where 1000 licences, today there is 1,300, Edinburgh has grown over the last 11 years and in many way's business is still good.

Quote: Bill Purnell, 24 million radio jobs between 3 black cab companies in one year :wink:

The problem for the legislators is to sort out the retrospective mess that is the phc market, a market that does in some way threaten a trade that was for individuals, now we see corporate profiteers moving in and un-restricted at that.

The way the black cab trade is at the moment in Edinburgh is out of the corporate profiteers reach and long may that continue, if we go down your outdated route it won't be long before the corporate profiteers move in and trust me they will.

My Medalion system addresses the threat but acts fairly and without discrimination as far as competition law goes, the Medallion system is the compromise between what we have and what you want, it works in a restricted or de-restricted way, we either trade above or below but the key is we do not destroy the millions that have been invested by INDIVIDUALS who recognise and accept that this is the Trade we inherited, no blank canvass but a trade that is older than you.

Gary for your own well being give up trying to destroy a trade that you willingley left, you played your mission and now clearly see that your ideals have no chance of coming to Edinburgh, the market is what it is, i won't lose sleep if the medallion system is not adopted because i will trust and play the alternative.

What is the ALTERNATIVE is the question, what changes to the staus quo balances what we have and sorts out the problems i.e allocation :?:

I believe its restriction through cost that differenciates between Individuals and Corporate, the medallion system that i have re-worked is so far the only alternative to the status quo. :D

Gary you are starting to sound like a stuck record, give up or compromise your view :wink:


Let me tell you what Kenny MacAskill really knows. He knows restriction denies a qualified man unfettered access to the tools of his trade. And that it operates through inequality, discrimination and the exploitation of drivers. He also knows it creates vested interests, and the de-facto sale of public property on the open market.

I'll take a bet that he's pretty sure the whole system would collapse if it was ever to be challenged directly through the courts.

So Dougie, irrespective of what you want to believe there's a whole pile of [edited by admin] just waiting to hit the fan.

Sooner or later you system of restriction and selling council property will be at an end. :-|


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:33 pm 
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The “Money changing” takes place when the “Company” is transferred. That’s 100% LEGAL !. The seller and the buyer are totally aware that the “Plate” belongs, and always will belong, to the Council !. It’s only you Skull, that thinks that we think, we own the “Plate”


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The “Money changing” takes place when the “Company” is transferred. That’s 100% LEGAL !. The seller and the buyer are totally aware that the “Plate” belongs, and always will belong, to the Council !. It’s only you Skull, that thinks that we think, we own the “Plate”


The company is set up to facilitate the de-facto transfer of a taxi licence. Without the licence, the company is worthless and vice versa. The transfer or buying and selling of council property are illegal, subject to the CGSA, 1982. The council won't admit to a transfer taking place, a value in council property or money changing hands. There is, in fact, no real value in a licence plate or in the company. It's simply a black market in council property.


:-|

Oh and btw, the company is an entity in itself. I don't think it's transferred anywhere. It's only the directors that change. :-|


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:53 pm 
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If it’s illegal, contact the Police. Tell them you’ve got evidence. After all, you’ve been involved in this, “Blackmarket”, twice !. Hypocrite !.


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If it’s illegal, contact the Police. Tell them you’ve got evidence. After all, you’ve been involved in this, “Blackmarket”, twice !. Hypocrite !.


Whoopeee :badgrin:


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You’re right Skull, it’s the names that get added/changed. All perfectly legally though, but you know that eh, you’ve done it twice !.


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You’re right Skull, it’s the names that get added/changed. All perfectly legally though, but you know that eh, you’ve done it twice !.


And you'll be handing your plate back to the council. :roll:


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:53 pm 
Gary, it is Gary isn't it?

I have to say this, the more I read you the more I think you are George Galloway, the methods are identical to his.

Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoWy6eR6 ... re=related

@ 38 seconds :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKaLiLH1 ... re=related


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Gary, it is Gary isn't it?

I have to say this, the more I read you the more I think you are George Galloway, the methods are identical to his.

Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoWy6eR6 ... re=related

@ 38 seconds :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKaLiLH1 ... re=related


I think he believes he didn't mention it only to say he didn't mention it and whatever it was he didn't mention came out of the sky and it was our fault. I have to say I found it difficult to fully understand as George Galloway doesn't speak very clear English

I guess if you say something often enough you believe it

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