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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 5:16 pm 
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Gateshead Angel wrote:
Locally I have already stated that of the 85 saloon plates currently issued only 4 actually were "granted" by the council of which 2 are now shared between the person who obtained the plate and their own son. The number of plateholders who do not hold a HC drivers badge has INCREASED since derestriction and now account for a quarter of issued licenses.

So now we are being a little more reserved, you are talking about saloon vehicles being bought, not the vast majority of all vehicles. I'm also grateful for the information about badge holders, quite what they have got to do with your imaginary vast majority I know not.

Now maybe you could tell me how many taxis your manor license, and how many of them have drivers not paid a bean for, other than the necessary small fee from the council.

But I bet it's not a vast majority. :?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:33 pm 
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I know lots of drivers who would love to give a service at cheaper costs
its been calculated that fares in Halifax are 25% higher than they could be if premiums did not exist,

stop guessing and making outragiously untrue statements please


Sorry Yorkie but I fail to see the signifigance of your statement bearing in mind that the rate each driver charges is only governed to a maximum, if a driver wished to charge a lower rate he could do so.

I'm not guessing here either, I'm questioning there is a differance.

Which of the statements I have made are untrue, please tell me cause I obviously have the fact that the council set criteria and not the plateholders completely wrong.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 7:50 pm 
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So now we are being a little more reserved, you are talking about saloon vehicles being bought, not the vast majority of all vehicles. I'm also grateful for the information about badge holders, quite what they have got to do with your imaginary vast majority I know not.

Now maybe you could tell me how many taxis your manor license, and how many of them have drivers not paid a bean for, other than the necessary small fee from the council.

But I bet it's not a vast majority. :?


Sussex you are a complete waste of time, I have offered statistics about my borough on more than one occasion, you just choose to ignore the [edited by admin] when it doesn't suit your argument.

The simple fact of the matter is that you cannot accept that allowing "market forces" to dictate taxi numbers is detrimental to the trade on the whole and derestriction allows further exploitation of the drivers.
The person who holds the most HC licenses in Gateshead is a PH operator.

The issue of quotas is simple to overcome, make it illegal to transfer a plate and only allow people who drive the vehicle to hold a licence.

You are providing an easy answer to a question that wasn't even asked, still I suppose you specialist taxi solicitor friend is making himself a tidy sum from those councils who he can scare into thinking they will be legally challenged if they don't form the policies he is warning them about. He knows that there will be a legal challenge cause he will make it on behalf of his local client. The only differance is that he will charge his client more so that he gets more when the court awards costs, so as a way of reducing costs to the council they should just pay him direct for his legal advice on how to derestrict.

And his friend, the specialist taxi solicitor is a member of this site, although he doesn't post under his real name, which I won't publish cause I'd get banned as well.

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hehe I'll tell you summat.

if you two ever pack in private hire / taxi driving / something else, youd make bleeding good hijackers.
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Sussex you are a complete waste of time, I have offered statistics about my borough on more than one occasion, you just choose to ignore the bleep when it doesn't suit your argument.

I just can't fathom how you can say that the vast majority of taxi vehicle owners bought their plates, when the vast majority got them for nothing via plating WAVs.

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The simple fact of the matter is that you cannot accept that allowing "market forces" to dictate taxi numbers is detrimental to the trade on the whole and derestriction allows further exploitation of the drivers.
The person who holds the most HC licenses in Gateshead is a PH operator.

Of course I can accept it, it's just that I can't work out why drivers will keep on licensing new WAVs, or driving WAVs for various operators, if they can't earn out of it.

Are they all stupid?

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captain cab wrote:
if you two ever pack in private hire / taxi driving / something else, youd make bleeding good hijackers.
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A valid point Captain, but maybe my get out is that the Angel and Frizzy both ..................................................................... :shock:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 8:57 pm 
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Of course I can accept it, it's just that I can't work out why drivers will keep on licensing new WAVs, or driving WAVs for various operators, if they can't earn out of it.

Are they all stupid?


No they are lured with promises of a grand a week.

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No they are lured with promises of a grand a week.

Well then maybe you should ask your council if drivers can be given accurate information in some sort of pack, when they apply for their driver's license.

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 Post subject: Re: One hit wonder?
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captain cab wrote:
One hit wonder?



I really enjoyed reading this article, it was well written. Congratulations to the Author.

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All over this lovely site we are told that plates have changed hands for 50k plus, and that free issue plates are sold on strait after issue, but where is the evidence? there seems to be an obsession with plate "values" which are totally disproportionate to any percieved problem. Is there an owner driver out there who would like to admit to paying 40-70K for a plate, to be a Taxi driver?was it worth it? I paid 4K 20years ago. We are still restricted and will remain so. (yes, I would bet on it) plate. value now, despite the "iniquity" restricting plates, 3k....


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All over this lovely site we are told that plates have changed hands for 50k plus, and that free issue plates are sold on strait after issue, but where is the evidence? there seems to be an obsession with plate "values" which are totally disproportionate to any percieved problem. Is there an owner driver out there who would like to admit to paying 40-70K for a plate, to be a Taxi driver?was it worth it? I paid 4K 20years ago. We are still restricted and will remain so. (yes, I would bet on it) plate. value now, despite the "iniquity" restricting plates, 3k....


I'm sorry, I dont see the relevence of your point to the article.

Although, I would say that there are people out there making money from taxi drivers purchasing plates for the amounts you suggest.

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All over this lovely site we are told that plates have changed hands for 50k plus, and that free issue plates are sold on strait after issue, but where is the evidence? there seems to be an obsession with plate "values" which are totally disproportionate to any percieved problem. Is there an owner driver out there who would like to admit to paying 40-70K for a plate, to be a Taxi driver?was it worth it? I paid 4K 20years ago. We are still restricted and will remain so. (yes, I would bet on it) plate. value now, despite the "iniquity" restricting plates, 3k....

All i can say is that plates are going in brighton for £45,000 with a well run in octavia.
i could sell me wav and plate for £50,000 tomorrow no problem. the ethinic drivers would ginve me a big sack of cash.
but as i got my plate for nothing and im still the right side of 40 i sooner keep working my own cab thank you.
But i might sell it just prior to deregulation though. :shock:


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Captain cab, (may I call you cab?) the point being, unless someone produces evidence to the contrary, I do not believe massive amounts of cash is being exchanged for plates on the scale that is being suggested. I personally would not sell my plate for less than 80K but no one in their right mind would pay that for it. I ask again then, have you any evidence that 40, 50, 60, 70 80K or more is, or ever has, been paid for a plate. This site is obsessed with plates being bought and sold. of course it happens, and you would like to see an end to it. I could live with that. Is there any difference between taxi plates being bought and sold between two parties willingly, and the trade in number plates, with DVLA being heavily involved? The DVLA recently advertised the number plate for sale which read B347 LES why? because if you (illigaly) alter it it reads "beatles" so you have one govt department issuing an illegal plate (at a premium) and then another govt department (Police) issuing a summons for displying an illegal license plate. [/list][/quote]


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Captain cab, (may I call you cab?) the point being, unless someone produces evidence to the contrary, I do not believe massive amounts of cash is being exchanged for plates on the scale that is being suggested. I personally would not sell my plate for less than 80K but no one in their right mind would pay that for it. I ask again then, have you any evidence that 40, 50, 60, 70 80K or more is, or ever has, been paid for a plate. This site is obsessed with plates being bought and sold. of course it happens, and you would like to see an end to it. I could live with that. Is there any difference between taxi plates being bought and sold between two parties willingly, and the trade in number plates, with DVLA being heavily involved? The DVLA recently advertised the number plate for sale which read B347 LES why? because if you (illigaly) alter it it reads "beatles" so you have one govt department issuing an illegal plate (at a premium) and then another govt department (Police) issuing a summons for displying an illegal license plate.


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