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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:05 pm 
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He needs to see a Solicitor pre Xmas with a view to filing his complaint on or before 2nd. That Sol can give advice about merits. As for the Court being closed it doesn't matter - as long as they have a postbox- put it in there (with cheque or they'll reject it!) on (before 4pm) the 2nd or before. If I were him I'd do it between Xmas and New Year having taken advice. That avoids any disputes with the Court saying they only processed it after 2nd - when they returned to work. As soon as he lodges it he is at risk of paying the council's costs. To answer your question re how can he pay well the court will ask is it 'just' he should pay the council's costs ( if he loses probably yes) and then what is reasonable for him to pay- and that will involve some examination of his means. DS


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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:44 pm 
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That's a good start for him. He rang one of the local solicitors who deals with criminal law and he said that he couldn't help. :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:56 pm 
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If he has no income or savings then even if the court order he pays the council's costs, if he is unsuccessful, the most the court take is £5 a week.

I would be frankly amazed if a court orders a person with no means to pay the council's costs in full, if the info from this thread is accurate.

It's also worth noting that any previous costs/fines will be consolidated meaning even if you have a large amount still outstanding the £5 a week will still be the most you will pay.

However speak to a lawyer for proper legal advice.

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:03 am 
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grandad... if I was your friend.... I would contact the committee's clerk section of your council, and asked them for copies of all the occasions that drivers have had to sit before a committee regarding their licences ... under( fit and proper) for the last five years.... I would also ask for a copy of their fit and proper/ conviction policy.... if they refuse make sure you get a name time and date... and then ask for the information in two separate Freedom of Information requests....

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:44 am 
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grandad wrote:
He has been convicted of benefit fraud whilst working for another company. Basically the other company were paying him cash in hand whilst he was claiming benfits. When he left them they grassed him up to the benefits people. He pleaded guilty and is paying back the overpayment of benefit. He kept the licensing officer informed from the outset. He had to appear before the council this morning and they decided to revoke his licence. I have sugested to him that he may be able to appeal but I am not sure how to go about it. My feelings are that the council, if they thought that he was not fit and proper, should have revoked his licence when he informed them about this over a year ago. Instead they do it now but still tell him he can keep working for the next 21 days because of the appeals process. So he is still fit and proper at the moment but he won't be in 21 days time. :?



Grandad,

whilst not being unsympathetic to your drivers predicament it really is a case of 'the punishment to fit the crime' there are thousands of people who commit benefit fraud and when caught they play the 'i dont deserve this card'. what your driver did was basically steal from the system, our hard earned cash paid through our tax, now i know its hard times out there and the majority of Taxi drivers play by the rules therefore ask yourself this, Does he deserve what has been imposed or what?

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:04 am 
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Jinky wrote:
grandad wrote:
He has been convicted of benefit fraud whilst working for another company. Basically the other company were paying him cash in hand whilst he was claiming benfits. When he left them they grassed him up to the benefits people. He pleaded guilty and is paying back the overpayment of benefit. He kept the licensing officer informed from the outset. He had to appear before the council this morning and they decided to revoke his licence. I have sugested to him that he may be able to appeal but I am not sure how to go about it. My feelings are that the council, if they thought that he was not fit and proper, should have revoked his licence when he informed them about this over a year ago. Instead they do it now but still tell him he can keep working for the next 21 days because of the appeals process. So he is still fit and proper at the moment but he won't be in 21 days time. :?



Grandad,

whilst not being unsympathetic to your drivers predicament it really is a case of 'the punishment to fit the crime' there are thousands of people who commit benefit fraud and when caught they play the 'i dont deserve this card'. what your driver did was basically steal from the system, our hard earned cash paid through our tax, now i know its hard times out there and the majority of Taxi drivers play by the rules therefore ask yourself this, Does he deserve what has been imposed or what?

That is the crux of the matter. Have the council revoked his licence as a punishment? It is not the job of the council to punish people, that is the job of the courts.
One of the councillors on the panel asked if he (the driver) had any dependants. What difference would it make if he were single or had a wife and ten kids?

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 3:49 pm 
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MR T wrote:
grandad... if I was your friend.... I would contact the committee's clerk section of your council, and asked them for copies of all the occasions that drivers have had to sit before a committee regarding their licences ... under( fit and proper) for the last five years.... I would also ask for a copy of their fit and proper/ conviction policy.... if they refuse make sure you get a name time and date... and then ask for the information in two separate Freedom of Information requests....

I have requested the information above.

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:48 pm 
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grandad wrote:
MR T wrote:
grandad... if I was your friend.... I would contact the committee's clerk section of your council, and asked them for copies of all the occasions that drivers have had to sit before a committee regarding their licences ... under( fit and proper) for the last five years.... I would also ask for a copy of their fit and proper/ conviction policy.... if they refuse make sure you get a name time and date... and then ask for the information in two separate Freedom of Information requests....

I have requested the information above.


I have forwarded the reply from our licensing officer to you in 3 PMs.

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:44 pm 
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well it seems the council has the ability to be lenient... but hasn't been.. 20 years in the trade ... no complaints... he makes a mistake.. the courts do not imprison him... but the councils take away his means for making a living
have e-mailed through to a friend of mind ... don't know when I'll get a answer

I would pm through to davidsedgley and get his handle on it...

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:48 pm 
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MR T wrote:
well it seems the council has the ability to be lenient... but hasn't been.. 20 years in the trade ... no complaints... he makes a mistake.. the courts do not imprison him... but the councils take away his means for making a living
have e-mailed through to a friend of mind ... don't know when I'll get a answer

I would pm through to davidsedgley and get his handle on it...

Thank you Mr T I will do that.

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:56 pm 
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2 PM"s for you

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:08 pm 
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MR T wrote:
2 PM"s for you

Have people misunderstood the point of a forum, it's to spread either love, viewpoints or info.

I'm quite sure anyone needing help or advice of a similar nature will be delighted to read that some PM have been sent. ](*,)

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:52 pm 
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MR T wrote:
grandad... if I was your friend.... I would contact the committee's clerk section of your council, and asked them for copies of all the occasions that drivers have had to sit before a committee regarding their licences ... under( fit and proper) for the last five years.... I would also ask for a copy of their fit and proper/ conviction policy.... if they refuse make sure you get a name time and date... and then ask for the information in two separate Freedom of Information requests....

I have asked for details of a particular case that came about around 5 years ago where a driver was convicted after a prosecution by the council. He was carrying more passengers than the vehicle was licensed for, he had 2 passengers in the boot. Now I would say that this driver was a greater risk to the public. He did not have his licence revoked. The council will not tell me what action they took, if any, against this driver because it is confidential. :roll: I was hoping to use this case to show inconsistancy. There was also a case where 2 drivers were having their badges revoked after a racism hearing. They were appealing to the magistrates court and on the morning of the hearing an agreement was made between the drivers and the council which stopped the case. Again I can't get any information regarding their "punishment" from the council due to confidentiality.

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2011 11:43 pm 
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MR T wrote:
2 PM"s for you

Have people misunderstood the point of a forum, it's to spread either love, viewpoints or info.

I'm quite sure anyone needing help or advice of a similar nature will be delighted to read that some PM have been sent. ](*,)



its a secret society ffs

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 Post subject: Re: licence revoked
PostPosted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:03 am 
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grandad wrote:
I have asked for details of a particular case that came about around 5 years ago where a driver was convicted after a prosecution by the council. He was carrying more passengers than the vehicle was licensed for, he had 2 passengers in the boot. Now I would say that this driver was a greater risk to the public. He did not have his licence revoked. The council will not tell me what action they took, if any, against this driver because it is confidential. :roll: I was hoping to use this case to show inconsistancy. There was also a case where 2 drivers were having their badges revoked after a racism hearing. They were appealing to the magistrates court and on the morning of the hearing an agreement was made between the drivers and the council which stopped the case. Again I can't get any information regarding their "punishment" from the council due to confidentiality.

Send in an official FoI request, asking, generally, for the info you require.

Along the lines of how many drivers have been investigated for over-loading in the last X years.

What was the outcome of those investigations?

You could actually widen the requests asking how many complaints the council have had about drivers and vehicles, and again the outcomes.

If they have had dozens and you fella is the only one losing his license then that will help.

And of course if they refuse to answer you can appeal to the Information Commissioner.

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