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 Post subject: Re: Ranks
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:18 pm 
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Now you're just being stupid. The point is people keep asking how do ph do it so much cheaper, if they are doing 3 jobs to a taxis 1 job they'll be earning more money per hour



Now youve changed the point you were making.....you initially said how much does it actually cost to travel a mile in a vehicle now your suggesting the vehicle will be driven by someone else.

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 Post subject: Re: Ranks
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:20 pm 
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toots wrote:

Now you're just being stupid. The point is people keep asking how do ph do it so much cheaper, if they are doing 3 jobs to a taxis 1 job they'll be earning more money per hour



Now youve changed the point you were making.....you initially said how much does it actually cost to travel a mile in a vehicle now your suggesting the vehicle will be driven by someone else.

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I asked that question to establish a cost per mile. If ph are cheaper and people like cheap they'll use ph, hence ph getting 3 jobs to a taxis 1. Whilst the taxi driver may get more per mile travelled the ph driver will do more miles and earn more

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 Post subject: Re: Ranks
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:22 pm 
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toots wrote:

I asked that question to establish a cost per mile. If ph are cheaper and people like cheap they'll use ph, hence ph getting 3 jobs to a taxis 1. Whilst the taxi driver may get more per mile travelled the ph driver will do more miles and earn more


As you well know the PH fare is set by the PH operator......its normally set lower than HC fares which are usually used as a standard.

There's no calculations.....provided the fare in a PH is chaeper than a HC.

The driver of a PHV is the last thing on the mind of any operator.

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 Post subject: Re: Ranks
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:25 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
toots wrote:

I asked that question to establish a cost per mile. If ph are cheaper and people like cheap they'll use ph, hence ph getting 3 jobs to a taxis 1. Whilst the taxi driver may get more per mile travelled the ph driver will do more miles and earn more


As you well know the PH fare is set by the PH operator......its normally set lower than HC fares which are usually used as a standard.

There's no calculations.....provided the fare in a PH is chaeper than a HC.

The driver of a PHV is the last thing on the mind of any operator.

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I know that but I was just commenting on how ph can do it and do it cheaper, maybe not by choice but that's how they do it.

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 Post subject: Re: Ranks
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 5:57 am 
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The AA and RAC have calculation to work out how much it costs to run a car per mile. You could always work it out though. Take the cost of your road tax + insurance + fuel + servicing + repairs + depreciation + licensing + cleaning for the year and divide this figure by the number of miles that you did for the year and this will give you the cost per mile.
As An example I run some Renault Meganes. They have cost me around £2000 each for 5 year old vehicles. Road tax is £95 for the year. Insurance is £1175 for the year. Fuel based on an average for all driving of 40 MPG and 20,000 miles per year is £3380. Servicing and repairs are around £1,000 per year. depreciation is £500 for this year. Licensing is £123 for the year and cleaning is £150 for the year.
6423 divided by 20,000 equals a tad over 32 pence per mile.
Obviously there are a lot of variables in the calculations and you would need to put your own figures in. The more expensive the car was to buy, the higher the depreciation will be and for a brand new car in the first year you will also lose an extra 20% of the value because of the VAT. The more miles that are travelled the higher the servicing and repair costs are likely to be.

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 Post subject: Re: Ranks
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 12:15 pm 
captain cab wrote:
toots wrote:

I asked that question to establish a cost per mile. If ph are cheaper and people like cheap they'll use ph, hence ph getting 3 jobs to a taxis 1. Whilst the taxi driver may get more per mile travelled the ph driver will do more miles and earn more


As you well know the PH fare is set by the PH operator......its normally set lower than HC fares which are usually used as a standard.

There's no calculations.....provided the fare in a PH is chaeper than a HC.

The driver of a PHV is the last thing on the mind of any operator.

CC



Amen to that, hence why there are so many foreign drivers who are on a 3 week rota of arrive drive and leave again, PH has become a slave ship, as you and Mark mention the op doesn't give a fig and will set it as low as he can in an attempt to glean more work, the funny thing is though there is nothing cheap about what the ask from the driver though in radio and uniform charges, then the driver shouldered discount on top of what is already almost a bus fare, they basically have the ethics of an African Warlord tbh and are ruining the who thing as a job for those that want to escape 9 to 5 jobs,

When I started in the 80's I worked open office and the difference between PH and HC fares was 10p, in the early 90's some bright spark decided she couldn't cope at busy times and a shift system was introduced which ensured you had to be there, now there is no open office and the fare difference has widened to £1.50 on average for a 2-3 mile fare,

They will kill it altogether eventually, as more and more foreign drivers get mugged off with the dream lie and overcharge to the level where it should be anyway the public will simply not take a cab anymore, then you will be back to drink driving on a mass scale as well,

Not good, and if you look properly the majority of issues the LC is having to review are the direct result of PH not playing the game, I'd like to see the company get fined rather than the driver for flagging, you'd soon see it all stop then and rules adheared to.


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 Post subject: Re: Ranks
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 2:28 pm 
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There's no calculations.....provided the fare in a PH is chaeper than a HC.


In the manor where I work and the 2 main ones next door, meters are used at exactly the same tariff as hackneys. Our LA allows a .60p booking fee (.75p unsocial hours) for phone jobs and both PH and HC can charge this. In other words we have a level playing field. No fares are quoted when the bookings are taken unless the punter asks for a guide. I drive HC on Friday nights and PH on Saturday's so see both. Oddly enough this friday just gone i have more work in the HC off the data head than I did off the ranks.

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