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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:42 pm 
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Keny Mac askill talks in this months On the rank Mag about protecting both Taxi and Ph Trades from organised crime gangs, he accepts that some areas are more at risk than others, aknowledging in my book that a difference in regulation and restriction will continue for years to come, im sure Edinburgh is classified as high risk as far as the infiltration by organised crime gangs is concerned :wink: De-restriction will not happen, no chance :D


Dougie, what are you talking about? De-restriction doesn't mean deregulation, if anything, De-restriction could mean more regulation and not less.

Oh and Dougie, if the council, pulled the plug, tomorrow, it would simply mean licensed drivers becoming owners. Don't you get it Dougie, the same guy driving his own taxi?

How does any of the above have anything to do with organised crime?



Dougie, I hope for your sake the council doesn't pull the plug and introduce psych testing as part of the new regulation. #-o



Gazzer, are you really going to tell me if it becomes totally open you are going to bother getting a cab yourself, I'm thinking of shiftin mine soon, I'm up for insurance renawal and from the things I've heard about this years premiums it the one that broke the camels back for me, I can't see the point in sitting around all day for what ends up £2 ph if I'm lucky, I can get 3X that much with no worry driving a van or a bus, the only thing that stops me is I like to please myself, but if the policy is going to be basically 40% higher than it was 2 years ago then I think it's time to bow out and focus on being a right pita to all and sundry.


There is nothing stopping the taxi trade turning the whole situation to its advantage. Your problem is, you have no properly funded organisation with the political and legal teeth to challenge government. Therefore, the terms and conditions of your employment are dictated to you, and the best you can hope for, is a sympathetic ear. It's the very same power dynamic for any driver working for the owner of a taxi. As the old saying goes, united we stand...


Now that's no one's fault but your own, and if you are not prepared to dictate your worth, then expect someone to the job for you. Your taxi trade is not unique in that respect. It has a begging bowl mentality to those perceived to be in power.

The council and the government treat taxi drivers like the scum that you are, and if the cap fits... :-|


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:47 pm 
That's not what I asked, I asked if you were going to be mental enough to invest cash into something that is going to become like a queue of hypercondriac's outside a Dr's


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 12:51 pm 
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That's not what I asked, I asked if you were going to be mental enough to invest cash into something that is going to become like a queue of hypercondriac's outside a Dr's


No, that' s not what you asked but that's your problem. You expect everyone to work for your interests when most self-respecting people would use you for something to wipe their feet on. :-|


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 1:01 pm 
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That's not what I asked, I asked if you were going to be mental enough to invest cash into something that is going to become like a queue of hypercondriac's outside a Dr's


No, that' s not what you asked but that's your problem. You expect everyone to work for your interests when most self-respecting people would use you for something to wipe their feet on. :-|



Gaz, I asked you what I asked, I then added how I feel about the whole thing right now, I'm not asking for a lecture, I simply want to know if you are going to invest or not?

Now answer the [edited by admin] question will ya :badgrin:


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:26 pm 
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Doom wrote:
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That's not what I asked, I asked if you were going to be mental enough to invest cash into something that is going to become like a queue of hypercondriac's outside a Dr's


No, that' s not what you asked but that's your problem. You expect everyone to work for your interests when most self-respecting people would use you for something to wipe their feet on. :-|



Gaz, I asked you what I asked, I then added how I feel about the whole thing right now, I'm not asking for a lecture, I simply want to know if you are going to invest or not?

Now answer the [edited by admin] question will ya :badgrin:


You don't invest in a taxi. It's a depreciating asset which, no sooner than its paid off. It has to be replaced, not forgetting the running costs over the period. It might keep you in a job, but that's about it. The plate isn't an investment either. You are simply buying a job and gambling that it's going to be worth more than you paid for it. It's the council owns the plate. The best you can hope for in most circumstances is to have a little control over the hours you work, and that's as good as it gets for the vast majority driving taxis.

The truth, of the matter is, the only one being owned is you, from your council to you paying your money into the bank, everyone owns a piece of your ass but you.

So to answer your question, I wouldn't touch your taxi trade with a [edited by admin] stick. :-|


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:43 pm 
Thats better Gaz, that's the answer I was seeking anyway, a big fat no and for good reason I guess, I've been saying it for years that we are food for the giants of petrochem, insurance and finance, the dead crow on the ground near the nest.


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 3:56 pm 
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Thats better Gaz, that's the answer I was seeking anyway, a big fat no and for good reason I guess, I've been saying it for years that we are food for the giants of petrochem, insurance and finance, the dead crow on the ground near the nest.


I spoke to a cabby I bumped into a few weeks ago, down in my neck of the woods, and he described working as a cabby, as being paid about the same as someone working in the CoOp, but having to buy your own uniform. :-| Oh and he believed his hours were longer for about the same pay.

And how did he know this; his partner worked in the CoOp. :shock:


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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:20 pm 
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Total Pants Skull :roll:

Any payment in advance in a business is an investment, Owners/operators of Taxi's pay in advance, Drivers do not pay in advance and that is a Rental not an investment, If a Taxi is off the road the owner/operator still pay's a driver does not :roll:

Ive been finance free for the last 4 years so using your theory you accept im one who is not owned :roll: But again you could say that until we are debt free we are ALL owned, we all have debt of some form don't we, if i own my house then i have debt that is structured over 25 years, if i'd rented my destiny/destination is then in the hands of another, i'd rather own than rent, light at the end of the tunnel skull light at the end of the tunnel :wink:

I believe in the system that is, some are happy to play, the majority are happy to play, Skull not the small minority like you :D

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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 10:25 pm 
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Skull wrote:
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Thats better Gaz, that's the answer I was seeking anyway, a big fat no and for good reason I guess, I've been saying it for years that we are food for the giants of petrochem, insurance and finance, the dead crow on the ground near the nest.


I spoke to a cabby I bumped into a few weeks ago, down in my neck of the woods, and he described working as a cabby, as being paid about the same as someone working in the CoOp, but having to buy your own uniform. :-| Oh and he believed his hours were longer for about the same pay.

And how did he know this; his partner worked in the CoOp. :shock:

Self assesment Skull :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 12:41 am 
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Total Pants Skull :roll:

Any payment in advance in a business is an investment, Owners/operators of Taxi's pay in advance, Drivers do not pay in advance and that is a Rental not an investment, If a Taxi is off the road the owner/operator still pay's a driver does not :roll:

Ive been finance free for the last 4 years so using your theory you accept im one who is not owned :roll: But again you could say that until we are debt free we are ALL owned, we all have debt of some form don't we, if i own my house then i have debt that is structured over 25 years, if i'd rented my destiny/destination is then in the hands of another, i'd rather own than rent, light at the end of the tunnel skull light at the end of the tunnel :wink:

I believe in the system that is, some are happy to play, the majority are happy to play, Skull not the small minority like you :D


Well, in that situation Dougie, you must agree with a driver having unfettered access to the tools of his trade. Therefore, there is no reason to deny him the choice to buy his own vehicle as he is already earning a living doing the job he's qualified to do. So Dougie, if we just give the qualified driver the choice to own or rent, you can hand your plate back to the council, when you retire or expire, whichever comes first. You don't own it anyway it's council property.

I'm glad we can agree on something, Dougie. :wink: =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Oh and Dougie, you're the one buying the new taxi in a depreciating market with diminishing returns, now that's a funny investment, if ever there was one. :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k

If you feel compelled to respond to the above Dougie, try staying in the real world. #-o ](*,) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 2:35 am 
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I believe in the system that is, some are happy to play, the majority are happy to play, Skull not the small minority like you


Sorry to burst your bubble again, Dougie, but if you are correct and the “majority are happy to play" pulling the plug won't make a jot of a difference, bearing in mind drivers outnumber owners at least 3-1.

Now that's my kind of minority. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


What a t*** you are Dougie :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 8:10 pm 
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Skull wrote:
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Total Pants Skull :roll:

Any payment in advance in a business is an investment, Owners/operators of Taxi's pay in advance, Drivers do not pay in advance and that is a Rental not an investment, If a Taxi is off the road the owner/operator still pay's a driver does not :roll:

Ive been finance free for the last 4 years so using your theory you accept im one who is not owned :roll: But again you could say that until we are debt free we are ALL owned, we all have debt of some form don't we, if i own my house then i have debt that is structured over 25 years, if i'd rented my destiny/destination is then in the hands of another, i'd rather own than rent, light at the end of the tunnel skull light at the end of the tunnel :wink:

I believe in the system that is, some are happy to play, the majority are happy to play, Skull not the small minority like you :D


Well, in that situation Dougie, you must agree with a driver having unfettered access to the tools of his trade. Therefore, there is no reason to deny him the choice to buy his own vehicle as he is already earning a living doing the job he's qualified to do. So Dougie, if we just give the qualified driver the choice to own or rent, you can hand your plate back to the council, when you retire or expire, whichever comes first. You don't own it anyway it's council property.

I'm glad we can agree on something, Dougie. :wink: =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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Oh and Dougie, you're the one buying the new taxi in a depreciating market with diminishing returns, now that's a funny investment, if ever there was one. :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k

If you feel compelled to respond to the above Dougie, try staying in the real world. #-o ](*,) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Skull there are some who are happy to own, there are some who are happy to rent and there are some (you) who just wish to destroy the balance of the buy or rent system that we operate and in many ways of daily lifes, they are outwith the majority, live with it :wink:

So we agree that the trade borders on the brink, so do you agree that those whom are trying to put the final nail in the coffin of our trade are Anarchists :x

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2012 2:56 am 
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Private Reggie wrote:
Skull wrote:
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Total Pants Skull :roll:

Any payment in advance in a business is an investment, Owners/operators of Taxi's pay in advance, Drivers do not pay in advance and that is a Rental not an investment, If a Taxi is off the road the owner/operator still pay's a driver does not :roll:

Ive been finance free for the last 4 years so using your theory you accept im one who is not owned :roll: But again you could say that until we are debt free we are ALL owned, we all have debt of some form don't we, if i own my house then i have debt that is structured over 25 years, if i'd rented my destiny/destination is then in the hands of another, i'd rather own than rent, light at the end of the tunnel skull light at the end of the tunnel :wink:

I believe in the system that is, some are happy to play, the majority are happy to play, Skull not the small minority like you :D


Well, in that situation Dougie, you must agree with a driver having unfettered access to the tools of his trade. Therefore, there is no reason to deny him the choice to buy his own vehicle as he is already earning a living doing the job he's qualified to do. So Dougie, if we just give the qualified driver the choice to own or rent, you can hand your plate back to the council, when you retire or expire, whichever comes first. You don't own it anyway it's council property.

I'm glad we can agree on something, Dougie. :wink: =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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Oh and Dougie, you're the one buying the new taxi in a depreciating market with diminishing returns, now that's a funny investment, if ever there was one. :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k :-k

If you feel compelled to respond to the above Dougie, try staying in the real world. #-o ](*,) :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Skull there are some who are happy to own, there are some who are happy to rent and there are some (you) who just wish to destroy the balance of the buy or rent system that we operate and in many ways of daily lifes, they are outwith the majority, live with it :wink:

So we agree that the trade borders on the brink, so do you agree that those whom are trying to put the final nail in the coffin of our trade are Anarchists :x


Dougie, you are nuts. The above reads like some sort of fictitious account of another world.

Dougie, your trade is fu*ked, and taxi numbers are still restricted. The Ph, along with just about every other mode of public transport is ripping the ar*e out of your industry. Not only have you failed miserably to meet customer demand, especially at peak times. You have given your market away to anyone who could come up with a novel or cheaper alternative.

And you expect drivers to keep on paying out more to earn less, while working unproductive hours, so the likes of you can live in la-la land. #-o

Dougie, don't you get it? It's your way of thinking that's slowly strangling the life out of your trade, not de-restriction. :roll:


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:30 am 
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Hey skull remind us how many plates you've cashed in on? If I remember correctly you're the original multi plate owning baron.


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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 12:58 pm 
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Hey skull remind us how many plates you've cashed in on? If I remember correctly you're the original multi plate owning baron.


What does that have to do with the world we now live in?

Grow up son, it's changed days, back when I sold my plates owners and drivers were making a good living. Shifts were readily available and Ph, numbered a couple of hundred.

The taxi game is now the last place you would want to work. :roll:


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