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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:40 pm 
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The exact same argument has been on here before.... they refuse to accept it..... mainly because they are in the position to arrange their own finances....... So if other people can't get finance their happy...... because they can't enter the private hire trade.


First "they" aren't objecting to others putting a vehicle on, unlike yourself [-X

Second, it's a LOT easier to get finance for a motor than to buy one of your plates, assuming of course they're for sale [-(


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:43 pm 
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Interesting also if they're saying that they won't loan using the vehicle as security in unrestricted areas while in apparently rock solid restricted areas you can't get a loan secured against the plate #-o

Stuff that as a lending criteria in today's volatile market!!

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:45 pm 
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Was this chap also saying that only two finance companies deal with the 100% unrestricted PH trade? Cos if he did he would be telling fibs. [-X

People can or can't get credit for a number of reasons, a restricted taxi market is not one of them.

The chap told it as he saw it. After all he is the taxi retailer not you or me.

As I said don't shoot the messenger.

The exact same argument has been on here before.... they refuse to accept it..... mainly because they are in the position to arrange their own finances....... So if other people can't get finance their happy...... because they can't enter the private hire trade.

That's too big a slant on protectionism. They don't have Yankee blood do they?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:18 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
MR T wrote:
The exact same argument has been on here before.... they refuse to accept it..... mainly because they are in the position to arrange their own finances....... So if other people can't get finance their happy...... because they can't enter the private hire trade.


First "they" aren't objecting to others putting a vehicle on, unlike yourself [-X

Second, it's a LOT easier to get finance for a motor than to buy one of your plates, assuming of course they're for sale [-(

Your naivety never fails to surprise me.... the Finance that is being referred to is for wheelchair accessible vehicles... not your little second-hand saloon vehicle worth maybe £2,000... and that my dear chap is specialised finance... that you obviously don't understand.... But keep twittering away

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:21 pm 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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Don't shoot the messenger.

You make a good point. Thanks for passing that info on. =D>


Indeed, but Brummers described it as a "very good reason", so I assumed he'd thought it through. :roll:

And indeed the credit crunch is perhaps a more relevant reason for some of the finance providers pulling out of the market.

I always thought that it looked a bit ropy financially. For example, I got a brand new £20k motor on HP and didn't pay a penny (no deposit) until I'd had it for a month. Even though they won't do this if somone has a bit credit rating, it always looked a bit too risky to me.

Also, the proviso in the consumer credit legislation (?) that allows a motor bought on HP to be returned after half the repayments wouldn't have made much financial sense either - an ex-taxi bought at £15k, say, with maybe 120,000 on the clock handed back after two-and-a-half years :shock: Probably worth a couple of grand, yet still £7k plus outstanding on the agreement. Some people I know did that with several different cars, and the finance companies must have taken a big hit on all of them, yet the owners just went to another provider and got the same deal.

Of course, they'll have made money on most of the loans, but I suspect it was all just another aspect of the free and easy credit market, and that some kind of, er, realignment would be necessary in the long term, so the fact that quite a few of the finance companies have exited the market hardly seems a surprise.

An increase in repossessions doesn't seem any kind of compelling evidence either, in view of the economic climate.

Interesting also if they're saying that they won't loan using the vehicle as security in unrestricted areas while in apparently rock solid restricted areas you can't get a loan secured against the plate #-o

when reading your comment.... it is obvious to see you have many views.... what is also obvious is that they are not based on practical experience....Always a bridesmaid but never the bride =D>

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:27 pm 
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MR T wrote:
Your naivety never fails to surprise me.... the Finance that is being referred to is for wheelchair accessible vehicles... not your little second-hand saloon vehicle worth maybe £2,000... and that my dear chap is specialised finance... that you obviously don't understand.... But keep twittering away


It's not Twitter, it's a forum :roll:

Anyway, now you're saying that the PH trade can only get finance on two grand vehicles #-o

Well perhaps I'm exaggerating your point slightly, but you can't get finance on new PH, or on new taxis in unrestricted areas, or on new WAVs in partially derestricted areas?

What was it you said, oh yes "your naivety never fails to surprise me" :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:28 pm 
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when reading your comment.... it is obvious to see you have many views.... what is also obvious is that they are not based on practical experience....Always a bridesmaid but never the bride =D>


In other words you've got nothing to say beyond thinly-veiled abuse :D


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:30 pm 
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MR T wrote:
The exact same argument has been on here before.... they refuse to accept it..... mainly because they are in the position to arrange their own finances....... So if other people can't get finance their happy...... because they can't enter the private hire trade.


Worth repeating this, coming as it did from Sefton's very own taxi plate baron. :lol:


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:33 pm 
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Brummie Cabbie wrote:
The pseudo-serfdom of PH drivers was brought up on a number of occasions and the employment status of these drivers too,


By the way, didn't want to state the obvious earlier, but was the even worse serfdom in the restricted HC trade and the employment status of drivers there brought up as well?

Not that I'm alluding to anyone on here of course. :roll:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:28 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
Well perhaps I'm exaggerating your point slightly, but you can't get finance on new PH, or on new taxis in unrestricted areas, or on new WAVs in partially derestricted areas?


I don't think there was any comment about not getting finance on phvs in any area and to be fair people generally get finance on a vehicle when it's ph. They do not specifically go for a phv do they? With regards to getting finance on WAVs it is difficult to obtain here and as far as I can make out, unless you have other means of obtaining a personal loan that is not for specific use, the only company that seems to be financing anyone here is Cab Direct.

As has been discussed on here before there were quite a lot of WAVs handed back to finance companies here and that was prior to the recession, but, I don't know why. It couldn't possibly be that the advantage of picking up on the streets is not worth so much as some would think when you have to work a circuit as well to earn any money

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I don't think there was any comment about not getting finance on phvs in any area and to be fair people generally get finance on a vehicle when it's ph. They do not specifically go for a phv do they?


My point was in relation to the claim that vehicle finance depended on restricted taxi numbers, thus to that extent no finance would be available on any PH, new or old.


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I don't think there was any comment about not getting finance on phvs in any area and to be fair people generally get finance on a vehicle when it's ph. They do not specifically go for a phv do they?


My point was in relation to the claim that vehicle finance depended on restricted taxi numbers, thus to that extent no finance would be available on any PH, new or old.


The chap who was talking to Mr RP was not specifically suggesting that finance is not available in derestricted areas. I was there when he was talking and it all made sense and it seemed to make sense to Mr RP but I guess if you want to know what people say you have to make an effort and be there or rely on people remembering what was said or talking notes, I do neither unfortunately. Well not to any great lengths anyway :wink:

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The pseudo-serfdom of PH drivers was brought up on a number of occasions and the employment status of these drivers too,


By the way, didn't want to state the obvious earlier, but was the even worse serfdom in the restricted HC trade and the employment status of drivers there brought up as well?

Not that I'm alluding to anyone on here of course. :roll:


What that elephant in the room? :lol:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:26 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
Brummie Cabbie wrote:
The pseudo-serfdom of PH drivers was brought up on a number of occasions and the employment status of these drivers too,

By the way, didn't want to state the obvious earlier, but was the even worse serfdom in the restricted HC trade and the employment status of drivers there brought up as well?

Not that I'm alluding to anyone on here of course. :roll:

That IMO does fall somewhat into the same category.

Except that we are talking about hiring a vehicle and driving that vehicle wherever you wish, as opposed to having to work, by the law of the land, for an operator on his terms, not yours.

Legalised slaves R Us!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:29 am 
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Dusty Bin wrote:
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I don't think there was any comment about not getting finance on phvs in any area and to be fair people generally get finance on a vehicle when it's ph. They do not specifically go for a phv do they?

My point was in relation to the claim that vehicle finance depended on restricted taxi numbers, thus to that extent no finance would be available on any PH, new or old.

That's not what the guy said.

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