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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 9:10 am 
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TDO you are absolutly right . Why does Birmingham not have massed ranks of hackney cabs . They have quality controls , they have a street knowlege test . they have a driving test . I bet mr brummy is making a lot more dosh than mr scouser . 187ums says paying 25000 pounds for a taxi is a restriction true , what does he want you to be able to license, like now Lreg sheds . In last nights Liverpool echo, there is a cab and plate for 65000 pounds , now that is a restriction . You can buy a house in Liverpool for that. Where do they find these mugs, to buy these plates . sounds good that . If you are one of these mugs dont bother , delimiting is coming get your self a car, go see mr Delta or S R C . Streetcar .


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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 2:35 pm 
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Ask yourself this question why have they not deregulated? is it because thier is not enough space for an infinite number of black cabs? where are the ranks? will thier be enough work for all these extra cabs?

I think Liverpool have not deregulated (your wording) because the council and it's officers are s*** scared of the multi plate-holders, and because they are plain thick.

As for your senario about rank spaces being a problem, well what would happen if customer demand doubled? Would the council say sorry to those waiting hours because they wont issue anymore plates, due to of a lack of rank space?

The issue anyway is one of driver numbers, it doesn't matter how many more taxis a council license, they don't drive themselves. Thus you could double the amount of cabs in Liverpool, and as long as the number of drivers stays static, then the numbers of vehicles on the road at any one time will be much the same.

The only losers will be the non working plate/multi-plate owners. :wink:

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I have just come back from my double shift, it was an interesting evening, private hire was out thier stalking, the council was doing nothing, and my pockets were jingling!!


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I have just come back from my double shift, it was an interesting evening, private hire was out thier stalking, the council was doing nothing, and my pockets were jingling!!

Earning more money is the name of the game so well done.

If the PH were picking up on the street, then that is evidence of unmet demand. But I'm surprised they managed to get around your manor as it's so congested. :D

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In my experience, there simply isn't more cars. Just a whole bundle of the PH guys go over to Hack licenses.

If restrictions should be imposed, they should be of qualitative nature. Not numerical. Make the game more professional. But make it fair.

Imagine a London, where the Bookers had to have the same standards as the Hackneys. Now that would be fair, and might even decrease numbers of vehicles. There are no numbers limits in London.

Imagine a knowledge test for the PH drivers, and an exam that had questions set in plain english? What would happen?

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Andy7 wrote:
Imagine a knowledge test for the PH drivers, and an exam that had questions set in plain english? What would happen?


Ha Ha, that would wipe out 70% overnight! :lol:


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Imagine a London, where the Bookers had to have the same standards as the Hackneys. Now that would be fair, and might even decrease numbers of vehicles. There are no numbers limits in London.


To be fair they are now feeling the pinch with the new driver licensing regime, and twice annual inspection on their vehicles.

The result of course is a lot less registered drivers and a lot less vehicles.

Of course those that went underground mearly swell the ranks of the touts at the weekend.

The good thing of course is the legitimate firms (contracts etc etc) have pushed their prices up to that (and beyond) of the main Taxi radio firms.

So contracts bounce to and from the radio taxi and and the Minicab circuits, and again as I have mentioned a lot of them are in bed with each other now.


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If the PH were picking up on the street, then that is evidence of unmet demand.


I'll have to disagree on that one Susssex. 8-[

If every London High Street had a Taxi rank with 20 available cabs on it, 24/7, they would still be there, shouting 'taxee' to anyone who passes, telling them they are cheaper (even though they overcharge) than a Taxi.

Now in the above I make reference not to the touts (the genuine touts!) but to the increasing number of Licensed minicab's, who find themselves a bit quiet, and chance their luck touting for fares.

This practise is especialy prevelant in and around Central London.

It may be different out there in the counties, but in London 'touting' by whoever will always be there, even with 40,000 taxi's, unless the Police, courts, and the PCO take the issue more seriously.

Wow, did you see that pig up there :shock:


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187ums wrote:
have to buy a 25 grand LTI TX2


How much? Where? Try £32,000, if you want to chill in the summer 8)


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If the PH were picking up on the street, then that is evidence of unmet demand.


I'll have to disagree on that one Susssex. 8-[

Perhaps I need to re-phrase.

In restricted areas any taxi demand (path work) that's met illegally by licensed PH, is viewed by the gov and the courts as evidence of unmet taxi demand.

In free and open areas, such as yours, it's just viewed as illegal.

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The good thing of course is the legitimate firms (contracts etc etc) have pushed their prices up to that (and beyond) of the main Taxi radio firms.



Yes, we predicted that nearly a couple of years ago:

http://www.taxi-driver.co.uk/minicab.htm

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Andy7 wrote:
Imagine a London, where the Bookers had to have the same standards as the Hackneys. Now that would be fair, and might even decrease numbers of vehicles. There are no numbers limits in London.



Not identical standards though, since this would probably mean no PH left, and effectively a one-tier system.

Unless, of course, there were HC quotas :D

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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 10:34 pm 
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If the PH were picking up on the street, then that is evidence of unmet demand.


I'll have to disagree on that one Susssex. 8-[

Perhaps I need to re-phrase.

In restricted areas any taxi demand (path work) that's met illegally by licensed PH, is viewed by the gov and the courts as evidence of unmet taxi demand.

In free and open areas, such as yours, it's just viewed as illegal.

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If this is the way you see pirating no wonder your logic is all back to front , when p/hire illegally ply for hire they get prosescuted, and where I come from it usually means that there is no work on their radio,but to say it is a sign of unmet demand is ridiculous there are stated cases in law ,stating that fri-sat 4-6hours two nights a week do not show unmet demand. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: mr T....


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http://www.thisisoxford.co.uk/oxfordshi ... NEWS0.html, follow this link, i guess you guys would put this down to unmet demand......i feel sorry for the victims.


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187ums wrote:
i guess you guys would put this down to unmet demand......i feel sorry for the victims.


No, I would put it down to your twisted mind.

WTF does the story "Crash kills four and injures nine more" have to do with restricted taxi numbers?

As I said a few days ago, I think you've been on here before.

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