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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 12:35 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
we would be able to trade with another 150/160 countries from around the world (think of the jobs that could create). The issue re jobs is a trade off of jobs and trade with 28/29 countries Or open up links with 150 other countries and create jobs well beyond what we would lose.

We already trade with Countries outside the EU. The difference is that there is LESS red tape and bureaucracy trading within the EU than there is with Countries like China, The middle East and the USA.
I used to work for a company called Aveling Barford who made very large dumper trucks, up to 65 ton load, for quarries and such like. It took over 2 years to get the required licenses and authority to supply 40 of them to China. They could go to the EU within days.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 1:33 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
we would be able to trade with another 150/160 countries from around the world (think of the jobs that could create). The issue re jobs is a trade off of jobs and trade with 28/29 countries Or open up links with 150 other countries and create jobs well beyond what we would lose.

We already trade with Countries outside the EU. The difference is that there is LESS red tape and bureaucracy trading within the EU than there is with Countries like China, The middle East and the USA.
I used to work for a company called Aveling Barford who made very large dumper trucks, up to 65 ton load, for quarries and such like. It took over 2 years to get the required licenses and authority to supply 40 of them to China. They could go to the EU within days.



Grandad I know we already trade with other nations, and yes there are at the moment obstacles. Unfortunately as ever all you will ever hear about is the problems/spin AGAINST other countries and why we should stay in. The problem as already stated, is that 40 years on, we ARE technically bankrupt, a position that we not in before this catastrophe .........so how can it be right for the Nation as a whole?

Let us be fair on this - if you were banging away for 40 years trying to get something right and it was not happening, you are also getting deeper and deeper into debt, your living standards as an individual and nationally are getting worse as the years go on, but the Bosses i.e Prime Ministers/Presidents/Politicians are living the life of Riley, because basically just like the bankers they are ripping the people off - Anddd YOU would still want to stay in #-o - Just because it suits a few because there is less red tape, it does not mean that it is beneficial for the nation.

We talk about the jobs in this country that have been apparently created by being in the EEC! In Cardiff and I would think around the majority of the U.K (London and maybe one or two others excepted) we are gripped with "Retail/Call Centres/National minimum wages, none of them paying en-mass good wages in order to get a mortgage/pay their way in life. Since we joined the EEC all of our Quality paid manufacturing jobs are basically gone - where are all of the en-mass well paid jobs that we used to have? Trust me on this - they have been allowed to go by our politicians at the behest of the Euro masters who are filling the pockets of their extremely rich friends who are exploiting people in third world countries who do jobs we used to do.

To stop the drain of the jobs, all they have to do is to ban whatever company that has made its fortune off of the back of British workers from trading on our shores. These are companies who decide they are now going to take the jobs to whatever third world country (so they can exploit and make even more money) and they should be made to take a share of responsibility that they have in creating debt in the population! If the EU adopted the same strategy then straight away the company/companies concerned would probably lose a market of over 350 million customers and could not survive, it is easy....but will they do it :evil: :evil: :evil:

Do not listen to the BS - look around you,what has changed so much that an economic boom is around the corner.............I know it is not good in our neck of the woods because nothing has changed - and will not be getting any better unless you live in - London, London, London.....our fifth country within the U.K.

Just remember......this is the way we now live, being fed copious amounts of BS - don't suck it up - get out whilst you can.

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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 3:02 pm 
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There's no drain on British jobs. I believe a lot of the Brits who are out of work can't be arsed to work; if that were not the case we wouldn't have so many 'ians driving taxis! If Brits REALLY wanted to work they could go to the near-European states and work. Our manufacturing is making a comeback.

Where I base my bus restoration here, an Italian firm has just set up creating 15 manufacturing jobs using English workers making air conditioning units. They were based in Italy, but conditions there aren't right and they refused to pay "insurance", the sort of "insurance" that forced their neighbours out of business when their factory "overheated" one night. With no EU, they would not have relocated here.


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 3:27 pm 
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. With no EU, they would not have relocated here.


How did companies do it before the EU like Nissan Toyota and Honda? They were allowed in when they promised hundreds of jobs to people.

Over 90% per cent of the British economy is NOT involved in exports to the EU. Putting it another way: exports to the EU account for less than 10% of British economic output. Within the approximately ninety per cent NOT involved in exports
to the EU, 80% is generated by British residents trading with each other, 10% in exporting to the world beyond the EU. Yet for that ten per cent the remaining ninety per cent still has the burden of EU Single Market regulation imposed upon it.

British exports to the world OUTSIDE the EU are growing far faster than British exports TO the EU – 37% faster since the turn of the millennium.

At present, roughly 40% of UK exports go to the EU. And because of the faster rate of growth of UK exports OUTSIDE the EU, by, say, 2020, the split of UK worldwide exports will be something like two-thirds outside the EU, one third to the EU, rendering the justification of belonging to the Single Market even more tenuous.

Take away Child Tax Credits for people who don't work and there's the problem solved overnight. A single woman with three kids will get £400 a week by not going to work, a couple will get more with rent paid, council tax paid etc etc.

Like I said above, strip the Child Tax Credits away for people who don't work and problem solved.


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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2014 3:51 pm 
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90% of my bus restoration exports is to the EU, the other 10% to Aus/NZ. My exports exceed home sales by quite a big margin, and is way above the private hire side, which I only about 10% of my turnover.


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Because it's bollox and derogatory.


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Because it's bollox and derogatory.


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I agree with a couple of those False Policies..Can you guess which ones :lol:


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Because it's bollox and derogatory.


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Apart from the the use of UKIP's logo without permission, what specifically is bollox or derogatory?
More to the point, what would you consider to be a matter for the police?

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The majority of UKIP supporters seem to be too stupid/ill informed to realise that UKIP is a party for right-wing extremists that are too dodgy (Neil Hamilton) or too right-wing for the Tory party (most of their donors and MEPs).

Anyone that has deluded themselves into believing that UKIP is an alternative to the Lib-Lab-Con establishment order is probably way beyond reasoning with (I doubt many will have read this far without quitting because they can't tolerate reading stuff that clashes with own their confirmation bias).

The amazing thing about UKIP supporters is that so many of them are left-wing, yet they support a party that is significantly more right-wing than the Tories. A recent YouGov poll showed that the average UKIP supporter is significantly more left-wing than the average Lib-Dem or Tory voter and almost as left-wing as the average Labour supporter.


More http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk ... beral.html

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In other words Sun readers. :shock:


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Another Angry Voice???

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In other words Sun readers. :shock:



And Jocks.


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In other words Sun readers. :shock:



And Jocks.


Jocks don't vote for fascist scum.
We leave that to stupid cvnts like you.

Shame you can't get past their racist appeal. Then you might wake up to what a bunch of tory arsewipes they actually are.

Don't know why you bothered to rejoiced at Thatcher's death. These pricks are all her b4st4rd children.

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