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You know all we ever do is go round and round and round, you guys bleat on about how its so unfair that plate values are so high, or that high plate values are indicative of SUD, or that the surveys can be manipulated, or that all the extra PH is also a sign of SUD, or that the high plate prices represent signifcant barriers to entry, i can go on and on.......

Tell me have you ever seen the effects of de regulation? consider the buses? where I am they have not improved, they are timetabled the same, cost the same, and all they do is choke the city.

What will be your next target? Kebab vans? after all they are also regulated........


Well I work in a 'deregulated area', and I can't see the problem, and that's the scenario in most of the UK's LAs.

The reason we go 'round and round' is because people like yourself never answer the questions posed (like the ones I posted above) and then revert back to the old bus analogy, which is hardly a good one.

Tell me, what's so bad about the 'deregulated' London trade, after all, it's often claimed to be the best in the world, and GBC keeps on telling us how good the job is and how much he is earning.

And I'm not sure about your reference to kebab vans being regulated, since I've always advocated tougher regulation for the trade, but not the twisted nonsense of plate restrictions.

By contrast, many plate holders in restricted areas want weaker regulation, for example by dumbing down knowledge tests, and Edinburgh is a good example.

So more drivers and more cabs on the ranks, but hey, that's OK since as long as they're not in their own motor.

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So you don't mind paying inflated rentals?



Err , not if it allows me to make a reasonable living.


Bit of a contradiction there?

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well the guys from Sheffield can be heard, also the guys from Swindon have started to complain about the lack of space on the ranks............i thought the whole point was to have a "hail and ride" market....


Well there used to be a guy from Sheffield on the forums, and he thought it was great, because he was allowed to run his own cab.

As for Swindon, weren't they moaning about the more stringent knowledge test, not because it was leading to less cabs on the ranks, but because it was leading to less drivers in their cabs - do as I say, not as I do.

Of course people will moan if they've been afforded preferential treatment in the past and are suddenly faced with a level playing field (whatever next?), but that's hardly a reason to reinstate quotas.

And in any case, it's just symptomatic of that classic Adam Smith quote, and again it just demsontrates why the authorities should stand firm and not give in.

Let's face it, the vast majority of those supporting quotas would be apoplectic if other businesses were up to this, but as usual it's do as I say, not as I do. :roll:


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you said it right - " So more drivers and more cabs on the ranks, but hey, that's OK since as long as they're not in their own motor."

fyi - i drive my own motor and dont want no numpty driver.

but tell me where are these extra customers going to appear from? thin air? where are all these extra cars going to park? on top of each other? i dont know why you keep going on about Adam Smith, thier is NO collusion, the customers are not being deprived, they can ring PH, catch a bus, or walk, they already have choices.

Now you guys are rejoicing about the Dft and the OFt,

let me explain the kebab van analogy to you, thier can only be a finite number of kebab van licenses, they can only park at certain points, but if i want one i have to wait or i can buy the licence in the grey market, so basically i am being deprived the opportunity of running my own kebab van.

You see its exactly the same as black cabs, thier is only a finite number of work for us, but you guys would rather we go round and round..............


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but tell me where are these extra customers going to appear from? thin air? where are all these extra cars going to park? on top of each other? i dont know why you keep going on about Adam Smith, thier is NO collusion, the customers are not being deprived, they can ring PH, catch a bus, or walk, they already have choices.

Surely they are going to come from the same place as the hundreds of new cabs? :?

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You see its exactly the same as black cabs, thier is only a finite number of work for us, but you guys would rather we go round and round..............

The thing I can't quite work out is why anyone would think drivers are so thick that they are going to spend up to £30,000 if they aren't going to earn a bean.

Surely they aren't all that stupid. :?

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you see you said it "hundreds of black cabs" does not mean that thier will be hundreds of new customers, they will need thousands to survive and i just cant see it.


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you see you said it "hundreds of black cabs" does not mean that thier will be hundreds of new customers, they will need thousands to survive and i just cant see it.

No my point is that it's all bollocks. :shock:

There will not be thousands of more people suddenly wanting cabs, nor will there be thousands of new cab owners.

And even if there was thousands of new cab owners, I would say 95% of them are already meeting the current demand. Even as cab jockies, or PH owners/jockies.

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There will not be thousands of more people suddenly wanting cabs, nor will there be thousands of new cab owners.



Why bother to change it then?


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So why bother resisting change then?

The answer is that he numbers are usually grossly overdone by the doom-mongers.

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well the guys from Sheffield can be heard, also the guys from Swindon have started to complain about the lack of space on the ranks............i thought the whole point was to have a "hail and ride" market....


Well there used to be a guy from Sheffield on the forums, and he thought it was great, because he was allowed to run his own cab.

As for Swindon, weren't they moaning about the more stringent knowledge test, not because it was leading to less cabs on the ranks, but because it was leading to less drivers in their cabs - do as I say, not as I do.

Of course people will moan if they've been afforded preferential treatment in the past and are suddenly faced with a level playing field (whatever next?), but that's hardly a reason to reinstate quotas.

And in any case, it's just symptomatic of that classic Adam Smith quote, and again it just demsontrates why the authorities should stand firm and not give in.

Let's face it, the vast majority of those supporting quotas would be apoplectic if other businesses were up to this, but as usual it's do as I say, not as I do. :roll:


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well I do not not know for sure that I do support quotas per se, but I dont know if I support total de-limiting in the Local if that is not what the people want, I think this has turned into a wider issue for me,


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So why bother resisting change then?

The answer is that he numbers are usually grossly overdone by the doom-mongers.



Change is okay, but change for the sake of change, I dont know?


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The other thing that I would be concerned about is those drivers that do not wish to purchase a vehicle and go through the new high quality! mind altering driver training, what happens there?

Would they be forced to puchase a vehicle of their own because there would not be so many people looking for someone to rent their Cab?


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[Tell me, what's so bad about the 'deregulated' London trade, after all, it's often claimed to be the best in the world, and GBC keeps on telling us how good the job is and how much he is earning.



Eh? What? Money? No the games dead, better off on the dole!

Yes we are 'deregulated' here in London, but are 'quality' controlled by means of an average two and a half years of non earning whilst on the 'K'.

Plus I would say London is fairly unique in that it attracts millions every year, who use the trade to get around, avoiding our public transport system. (and minicabs)

Obviously a rural market town in Shropshire may be somewhat different, especialy in the quiet months.


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[Tell me, what's so bad about the 'deregulated' London trade, after all, it's often claimed to be the best in the world, and GBC keeps on telling us how good the job is and how much he is earning.



Eh? What? Money? No the games dead, better off on the dole!

Yes we are 'deregulated' here in London, but are 'quality' controlled by means of an average two and a half years of non earning whilst on the 'K'.

Plus I would say London is fairly unique in that it attracts millions every year, who use the trade to get around, avoiding our public transport system. (and minicabs)

Obviously a rural market town in Shropshire may be somewhat different, especialy in the quiet months.



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