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Please elaborate MUSH

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To elaborate, don't be a "Prairie Hat", use the quote facility correctly, don't just re-copy the lot including the quote mistakes you have already made. If necessary simply make a post with no quotes at all, the previous posts are visible to those interested to read.

Simple really.

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MANY THANKS CHRIS

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@trotskystwin

I'm new to GMB and this forum. I must say this exchange is discouraging but I refuse to be cynical.

I don't follow your logic about our Branch Sec. He must and has listened to his constituency and acted accordingly as you point out so where is the corruption?

We've launched a case for worker rights as Uber drivers but you want us instead to investigate our Branch Sec. Worse still you're suggesting Uber invwstigate and it would be worthwhile doing so as it might undermine our Branch Sec even if at the cost of the case us drivers are trying to take.??? Whose side are you on? You seem to be willing to sell out principles of solidarity to make a point about our Branch Sec. As a new union member I find that appalling.

As for engagement with Uber to divide and conquer - we've tried that and Uber refuse to engage.

As for the law, I really don't.share your cynicism. Good precedents have been made in the courts and this is a case worth making. I'm very grateful to GMB for supporting it.

BTW is it possible to carry on the conversation without resorting to insult and slander? If it isn't I won't be responding further.

So what rights do you want?

I ask because in some cases drivers will only work say 10% for Uber.

So why are the GMB not going after the firms where most drivers work on i.e. Addison Lee?

I not knocking fighting for better working conditions, just that I believe this route is doomed.

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IDFIMH

We want worker rights allowed to us under the law but denied by Uber. Employment law allows for special protections for those with 'worker' status as distinct from either employed or self employed. Specifically we contend we are entitled to the following:

1. Guranteed minimum wage
2. Paid holidays
3. No unauthorized deductions from income
4. Safety obligation placed on operator as duty of care
5. Protections against discrimination.

Besides seeing our incomes shrink and hours lengthen a number of us have suffered assault which went ignored by the operator and a number of whistleblowers were punished unfairly.

I believe the law is on our side. I don't think this case and potential industrial action are mutually exclusive.

As for Add Lee. I only work for Uber, that's where my focus is. We need Add Lee drivers to come forward, join up and fight for their rights.

So Uber give you the means to earn a living, they provide you with their App and that is all. How does this qualify you as an employee, they specifically allow you to work for as many operators as you like, you can come and go as you please, you provide the vehicle to complete the work, from whom do you wish to be protected against when it comes to discrimination, being self employed do you not think that is wise to invest in some form of CCTV for your vehicle. I totally agree that they should not take unauthorised deductions from your income and if the drivers can't see this as a ploy by other operators to keep control over their 'workforce' then they're daft. If Uber is challenged and looses then that leaves the traditional operator with control again and drivers dependent upon them paying them £100+ per week for radio settle.

Uber has it's faults but by no means do I consider it an employer and it's drivers employees, I would be more inclined to think that of the traditional private hire operator. They are the ones that are trying to stop drivers from working with others to earn a living, flooding their systems so drivers work all kinds of silly hours etc, etc

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Note to self: Just because it pops into my head does NOT mean it should come out of my mouth!!

Insult and slander slander is spoken dear boy insult ...............where just opinions

UBER wont engage bollox i know they will and have

As others point out your best targets would of course be established licensed proprietors let me suggest some

Addison Lee
The Keen Group
Tristar


All whom are in clear breach of employment regulations in that they require shifts and some even uniforms company insignia their workers are clearly workers under the direction of the company and as such entitled to Holiday pay employment rights etc

But of course to confront these company's would expose the apparent duplicity of the GMBPDB's Branch sec and several other officers within the branch i am informed

Confronting these companys would be a simple operation and for sure you would be on firmer legal ground than taking on UBER

Illegal deductions from earnings is a simple issue as the GMB well know they deal with it on a daily basis

I congratulate you on joining the GMBPDB and would hope many many more will follow your example with sufficient numbers again it could become a powerful force .................lets hope so And of course i am very pleased to see you being prepared to debate on here ..................remember disagreement and debate is healthy! make sure it takes place WITHIN the Branch and all decisions are taken by the membership and all meetings are minuted [which of course means the decisions motions taken at meetings and that the minutes of the previous meeting are always the first item on the agenda of the next meeting where the meeting MUST agree they are accurate and then authorise the President and Branch Sec to sign them in the presense of the meeting}

Attacks on the Branch sec no not at all ..........if you live in glass house dont throw stones they say .....................and with an officer reportedly running a business from a residential property without planning permission breaching working time regs and employment laws himself the Branch membership might consider it appropriate to re analyise the situation urgently

I fail to see why the established proprietors are not the ones on receiving end of legal challenges now that someone in the GMB London Region has decided to release the purse strings ........................something they have declined to do for many years

BUT OF COURSE ONLY IDIOTS BELIEVE IN WINNING INDUSTRIAL BATTLES THROUGH THE COURTS THESE BATTLES WILL BE WON ON THE PICKET LINE ............................AND IT APPEARS YOU SUNSHINE WILL LEARN THAT LESSON THE HARD WAY

Anyway i wish the Branch success in its struggle with the cess pit mini cab industry in London and would encourage all drivers to get unionised to defend their rights and then to become the DOMINANT FORCE WITHIN THE INDUSTRY

WITH CORBYN coming ALONG AND THE REMOVAL OF ALL ANTI UNION LEGISLATION THE FUTURE LOOKS HOPEFUL

However in London the main danger is that parasite Tessa Jowell a grovelling tory assole out of a very poor bunch i will be going for Diane Abbot ........................................the best and most successful days of the GMBPDB were with Ken Livingstone as mayor the Branch must do all within its power to get a NON Tory honour grovelling candidate for the Mayoral election

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But you are missing my point, if most drivers only work occasionally for Uber, i.e. one week 10% of their time, another week 30% of their time, then how are those rights you are fighting for get assessed?

If you want Uber to run drivers on a PAYE basis, then so be it, but I'm not convinced that will be universally popular.

As for the law being on your side, well at court there are always two sides saying that, sadly 50% of them are always wrong.

And in my unprofessional opinion the GMB are pi**ing in the wind on this matter.

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IDFIMH

Your right Sussex which is why i advocate taking on the established shysters and why the GMB wont is because their Branch sec is a proprietor he cannot take on this battle or front it given his activities at his company and Uber know it ........................................the unlawful deductions are easy to deal with .................uber caby is shall we say has a lot to learn ..................................but interested and maybe ACTIVE so lets be easy on him/her

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If Steve's actions succeed, it'll affect every PH opo in London including his own firm, personally I think that's a good thing for the industry, the numbers currently being drawn in with false promises of earning thousands is unbelievable, and to counteract the 50% of the promised earnings that don't materialise, more and more are turning to touting, and THAT does affect me.

I had disagreements with Steve on here before, but I wish him and the branch luck with their actions.

As one wise head on here says, "once you start undercutting it's a race to the bottom."

Whose this Steve geezer on here ?????????????????????

Are you saying A GMB officer is HIDING behind an alias GBC

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He wouldn't be the first.

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IDFIMH

Uber is failing all over the UK .
They have had open nights and adverts here in Liverpool and have managed to get zero drivers !!!!!