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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:55 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
Just remember this........Whilst a camera never lies - it does not always tell the truth! The point being is that you will have images , unfortunately for you they are one sided as they do not record the possible obscene comments/gesticulations from the person behind the cam. Use the cam against her as the evidence is inconclusive.


good advice there john, also I could be fearing the worst case scenario and she could have not maybe had a camera and it is just her word against mine. I know its all ifs and buts but just exploring all avenues.


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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:26 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
Just remember this........Whilst a camera never lies - it does not always tell the truth! The point being is that you will have images , unfortunately for you they are one sided as they do not record the possible obscene comments/gesticulations from the person behind the cam. Use the cam against her as the evidence is inconclusive.


good advice there john, also I could be fearing the worst case scenario and she could have not maybe had a camera and it is just her word against mine. I know its all ifs and buts but just exploring all avenues.


Until/unless they present any evidence, just state that a driver cut you up in traffic and could have caused an accident, this was only avoided due to your alertness. If asked - State that a few words might have taken place, at the same time adding that (no aggression/obscene language was used), I would point out that in traffic it is quite normal to point out to the other person/driver (as in this case) that they were in the wrong, and could have caused an accident. It might also be worthwhile adding that it would seem that this person has taken umbridge, and still will not accept that in law.......she could have been held liable for her poor driving.

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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:27 pm 
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turberrytom wrote:
meetings tomorrow afternoon.is it too late.


PM ME

THEY HAVE TO GIVE APPROPRIATE TIME FOR THIS TO BE DEALT WITH WHICH MEANS YOU MUST HAVE HAD SITE OF THE WRITTEN COMPLAINT AT LEAST 7 DAYS BEFORE ANY HEARING. IE TIME FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE COMPLAINT AND ARRANGE REPRESENTATION LOOKS LIKE THEIR TRYING IT ON TO ME BEWARE !!

If I were you I would take TT up on his offer and PM him. His bark is far worse than his bite.

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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:44 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
turberrytom wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:
Just remember this........Whilst a camera never lies - it does not always tell the truth! The point being is that you will have images , unfortunately for you they are one sided as they do not record the possible obscene comments/gesticulations from the person behind the cam. Use the cam against her as the evidence is inconclusive.


good advice there john, also I could be fearing the worst case scenario and she could have not maybe had a camera and it is just her word against mine. I know its all ifs and buts but just exploring all avenues.


Until/unless they present any evidence, just state that a driver cut you up in traffic and could have caused an accident, this was only avoided due to your alertness. If asked - State that a few words might have taken place, at the same time adding that (no aggression/obscene language was used), I would point out that in traffic it is quite normal to point out to the other person/driver (as in this case) that they were in the wrong, and could have caused an accident. It might also be worthwhile adding that it would seem that this person has taken umbridge, and still will not accept that in law.......she could have been held liable for her poor driving.


great advice this again true every word. I think im going to go down the solicitor representation as I don't want to lose my licence as It will mean me losing my car,livelihood and relationship which isn't good atm. thanks for all your constructive help guys.


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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:24 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
turberrytom wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:
Just remember this........Whilst a camera never lies - it does not always tell the truth! The point being is that you will have images , unfortunately for you they are one sided as they do not record the possible obscene comments/gesticulations from the person behind the cam. Use the cam against her as the evidence is inconclusive.


good advice there john, also I could be fearing the worst case scenario and she could have not maybe had a camera and it is just her word against mine. I know its all ifs and buts but just exploring all avenues.


Until/unless they present any evidence, just state that a driver cut you up in traffic and could have caused an accident, this was only avoided due to your alertness. If asked - State that a few words might have taken place, at the same time adding that (no aggression/obscene language was used), I would point out that in traffic it is quite normal to point out to the other person/driver (as in this case) that they were in the wrong, and could have caused an accident. It might also be worthwhile adding that it would seem that this person has taken umbridge, and still will not accept that in law.......she could have been held liable for her poor driving.


IGNORE THIS FROM CABBY JOHN! DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES COMMENT UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN THE WRITTEN COMPLAINT AND HAVE ORGANISED REPRESENTATION!

REMEMBER THIS PERSON WHO IS LIKELY TO PURSUE YOU IS AN EX COPPER :evil: :evil: :evil: I HAVE REPRESENTED MANY DRIVERS IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES TO YOUR'S AS A CERTIFIED TRADE UNION OFFICIAL AND COME ACROSS MANY EX COPPER OFFICIALS WHO WITHOUT EXCEPTION WERE DISHONEST, CORRUPT, VINDICTIVE, SCUM, HE WILL TAKE GREAT DELIGHT IN REMOVING YOUR LICENSE FOLLOW JOHNS ADVICE AND YOU ASSIST HIM IN DOING SO !

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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:04 pm 
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99 out of 100 drivers that get prosecuted do so because they can not keep their gobs shut........pm TT

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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:25 pm 
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thanks for that advice mr t, probably a better idea to keep the old gob shut. which I will do. I have managed to get a solicitor to represent me tomorrow gonna cost around £250 but I hope it will be worth it.


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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 6:29 pm 
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turberrytom wrote:
I presume she must of had a dashcam and not told the full story.

I doubt it.

If she had it would record her initial offence and she could be prosecuted for it.

She has made a complaint, the licensing officer has to investigate.

If you can get someone to go with you great, but if not just deny it in the same way you did in the opening post.

I'm struggling to see what you did wrong.

And if the incident, in her evidence, is that you were a dangerous nutter why didn't she report matters to the police.

And of course there is nothing stopping you doing it now. Most police forces now have online motoring complaints procedures.

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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:07 pm 
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Cabby John 1 wrote:
turberrytom wrote:
Cabby John 1 wrote:
Just remember this........Whilst a camera never lies - it does not always tell the truth! The point being is that you will have images , unfortunately for you they are one sided as they do not record the possible obscene comments/gesticulations from the person behind the cam. Use the cam against her as the evidence is inconclusive.


good advice there john, also I could be fearing the worst case scenario and she could have not maybe had a camera and it is just her word against mine. I know its all ifs and buts but just exploring all avenues.


Until/unless they present any evidence, just state that a driver cut you up in traffic and could have caused an accident, this was only avoided due to your alertness. If asked - State that a few words might have taken place, at the same time adding that (no aggression/obscene language was used), I would point out that in traffic it is quite normal to point out to the other person/driver (as in this case) that they were in the wrong, and could have caused an accident. It might also be worthwhile adding that it would seem that this person has taken umbridge, and still will not accept that in law.......she could have been held liable for her poor driving.


IGNORE THIS FROM CABBY JOHN! DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES COMMENT UNTIL YOU HAVE SEEN THE WRITTEN COMPLAINT AND HAVE ORGANISED REPRESENTATION!

REMEMBER THIS PERSON WHO IS LIKELY TO PURSUE YOU IS AN EX COPPER :evil: :evil: :evil: I HAVE REPRESENTED MANY DRIVERS IN SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES TO YOUR'S AS A CERTIFIED TRADE UNION OFFICIAL AND COME ACROSS MANY EX COPPER OFFICIALS WHO WITHOUT EXCEPTION WERE DISHONEST, CORRUPT, VINDICTIVE, SCUM, HE WILL TAKE GREAT DELIGHT IN REMOVING YOUR LICENSE FOLLOW JOHNS ADVICE AND YOU ASSIST HIM IN DOING SO !

i HAVE PM'D YOU[/quote]

TT, a little bit of hypocrisy on the above coming from you!

You consistently criticise drivers for not standing up for themselves/not having a go.......and then when they do.......you tell them to get someone to hold their hand!! Coppers are not necessarily all that bright, just treat this one with caution, and remember that no matter how nice he tries to come across......HE IS NOT YOUR MATE.

My experience of them is that they will try to put words into your mouth i.e. he might ask...how fast were you going? You might say that you cannot remember the exact figure but it was under 30 mph!He might then say....well give me a figure/a rough figure....was it 10/15 mph, 15/20 mph it is only to fill in the gaps etc - whatever figure you give him - he will find if a reason to hold/make a case against you, do not answer his way.......stick to non commital answers, no matter to how arsey he gets.

Personally speaking, I am confident enough not to need a helping hand. If that is not the case for you, (and that is not a slight on you), then perhaps you will have to go down the Solicitor route.......and that is very costly.

P.S. Reading your post (I started putting this together before you posted) I am surprised that you have straight away gone for a solicitor......unfortunately you will land up out of pocket no matter what happens......to me, that goes totally against the grain.

Anyway.......good luck.

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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 7:44 pm 
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With respect John, TT has been very consistent with his advice regarding being dragged before the Council. He has always said not to represent yourself and say nothing.

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grandad wrote:
With respect John, TT has been very consistent with his advice regarding being dragged before the Council. He has always said not to represent yourself and say nothing.


TT is consistent in saying loads of things....lickspittle/gutless/morons/etc etc etc. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 11:00 pm 
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turberrytom wrote:
now 4 weeks later I have to report to my licencsing authority
Is it for a chat with a licensing officer or have you been called before the commitee ?
From recollection of a previous post on here I believe you are under no obligation (legally) to attend an interview with a licensing officer - basically you can tell them to get lost ! Being put in front of the commitee is an entirely different thing altogether though.


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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:07 am 
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sasha wrote:
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now 4 weeks later I have to report to my licencsing authority
Is it for a chat with a licensing officer or have you been called before the commitee ?
From recollection of a previous post on here I believe you are under no obligation (legally) to attend an interview with a licensing officer - basically you can tell them to get lost ! Being put in front of the commitee is an entirely different thing altogether though.


hiya its an interview with the licensing officer not committee, however it says on letter failure to attend can result in my licence being suspended/revoked.

hopefully solicitor will get me through this as im not looking forward to it at all.


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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:03 am 
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turberrytom wrote:
is that not a bit like the "no comment" interview technique!! not good with stuff like that. also think the licensing officer is an ex copper!!


They're the worse ones, they're never out of uniform. Our Ex Copper LO has finished thank fuck.


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 Post subject: Re: incident
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:04 am 
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turberrytom wrote:
was thinking of giving it the yes I overreacted but was annoyed etc not on duty as well???



Doesn't matter if you were on duty or not, they'll look at you as a Taxi Driver even though you aren't on duty.


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