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EU - Remain or Leave?
Remain in the EU 28%  28%  [ 12 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 11:33 pm 
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Right I see as to where you are coming from! Having said that we are bound by the package of Human Rights accepted by the EU, whereas say Australia are only party to what they wanted. It would seem as is the case with the EU treaty/agreement/membership that not every country has the (same) cast in stone set of laws.


I don't honestly understand your position.

But for clarity, here is mine.

Human beings are entitled to certain rights - even if those rights are a little imaginary, because whatever any court says, we don't have any rights.

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cabby john wrote:

Right I see as to where you are coming from! Having said that we are bound by the package of Human Rights accepted by the EU, whereas say Australia are only party to what they wanted. It would seem as is the case with the EU treaty/agreement/membership that not every country has the (same) cast in stone set of laws.


I don't honestly understand your position.

But for clarity, here is mine.

Human beings are entitled to certain rights - even if those rightsj are a little imaginary, because whatever any court says, we don't have any rights.


I cannot understand you saying that we do not have any rights. It seems to be ambiguous to say we are entitled to certain rights - to then say "Whatever any Court says.....we don't have any rights", when it is enshrined in law.

Ok, my postion is this; As already mentioned there appears to be different interpretations/clauses that some EU countries are party to, the U.K being a classic on that one! With regards to the "Human Rights law" then it would seem that all of the EU members would (have) to be signed up to that one (with no exceptions) otherwise this walking in and out of each others country could not work. By leaving the EU we would (not) have to be bound by the same clauses, as is the case of Australia.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:13 am 
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cabby john wrote:

I cannot understand you saying that we do not have any rights. It seems to be ambiguous to say we are entitled to certain rights - to then say "Whatever any Court says.....we don't have any rights", when it is enshrined in law.

Ok, my postion is this; As already mentioned there appears to be different interpretations/clauses that some EU countries are party to, the U.K being a classic on that one! With regards to the "Human Rights law" then it would seem that all of the EU members would (have) to be signed up to that one (with no exceptions) otherwise this walking in and out of each others country could not work. By leaving the EU we would (not) have to be bound by the same clauses, as is the case of Australia.


You have no rights.

Those people our government bundled via UK airports into detention in Cuba - did they have rights?

The interned in Northern Ireland - did they have rights?

You / I / We have no rights whatsoever, what we have is temporary privilege, and that isn't a right, that's something that can be taken away, and is each day, so why you can shout about that Rumanian, just remember, you are one false accusation away from being in the same position as him.

So please nobody on TDO bleat about the EU and ECHR - they're 2 different things - and one is there to try to ensure our rights (as derisible that they are) are upheld.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:14 am 
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and tbh I'm not that bothered about what other countries do - I live in this sh*tty place, and the people that govern us are c*nts.

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captain cab wrote:
cabby john wrote:

I cannot understand you saying that we do not have any rights. It seems to be ambiguous to say we are entitled to certain rights - to then say "Whatever any Court says.....we don't have any rights", when it is enshrined in law.

Ok, my postion is this; As already mentioned there appears to be different interpretations/clauses that some EU countries are party to, the U.K being a classic on that one! With regards to the "Human Rights law" then it would seem that all of the EU members would (have) to be signed up to that one (with no exceptions) otherwise this walking in and out of each others country could not work. By leaving the EU we would (not) have to be bound by the same clauses, as is the case of Australia.


You have no rights.

Those people our government bundled via UK airports into detention in Cuba - did they have rights?

The interned in Northern Ireland - did they have rights?

You / I / We have no rights whatsoever, what we have is temporary privilege, and that isn't a right, that's something that can be taken away, and is each day, so why you can shout about that Rumanian, just remember, you are one false accusation away from being in the same position as him.

So please nobody on TDO bleat about the EU and ECHR - they're 2 different things - and one is there to try to ensure our rights (as derisible that they are) are upheld.


You have now moved into anti terrorism laws that will probably supercede all laws. The one that we are discussing has no such link.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:46 am 
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captain cab wrote:
and tbh I'm not that bothered about what other countries do - I live in this sh*tty place, and the people that govern us are c*nts.


We agree on that one. Without EU interference then it leaves it clearer (a lot clearer) to concentrate on home politics - in order to clean it up Or at least try.

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It is not just interference from the unelected members of the Council of Europe but the idea of G20 finance ministers putting their 2 penneth in that has to be stopped,they all look after their paymasters (big business)and the common man is just an after thought who they stitch up at all times.It is always first and foremost a self interest protection organisation for the rich.


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It is not just interference from the unelected members of the Council of Europe but the idea of G20 finance ministers putting their 2 penneth in that has to be stopped,they all look after their paymasters (big business)and the common man is just an after thought who they stitch up at all times.It is always first and foremost a self interest protection organisation for the rich.

And what's wrong with that ??

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Mervyn King said today that we're heading for another financial disaster.


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Mervyn King said today that we're heading for another financial disaster.


Aye the same t*$$er that told everyone to spend their savings to help the country out of the so called recession. In any event most tabloids have been saying the same for months.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:25 pm 
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We have not come out of the last financial disaster yet Osborne and the Tories have not learnt a thing about the financial crash and how to get over it other than make the common man pay to protect their rich friends.

The recession is getting deeper due to Tory policies and the job losses in every section proves it.


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heathcote wrote:

The recession is getting deeper due to Tory policies and the job losses in every section proves it.

The office for National Statistics have a different view.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabo ... bruary2016

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heathcote wrote:

The recession is getting deeper due to Tory policies and the job losses in every section proves it.

The office for National Statistics have a different view.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabo ... bruary2016


Grandad......behave - its coming from the government........now who is going to believe that #-o

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cabby john wrote:
grandad wrote:
heathcote wrote:

The recession is getting deeper due to Tory policies and the job losses in every section proves it.

The office for National Statistics have a different view.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabo ... bruary2016


Grandad......behave - its coming from the government........now who is going to believe that #-o

So where does heathcote get his figures?

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cabby john wrote:
grandad wrote:
heathcote wrote:

The recession is getting deeper due to Tory policies and the job losses in every section proves it.

The office for National Statistics have a different view.
http://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabo ... bruary2016


Grandad......behave - its coming from the government........now who is going to believe that #-o

So where does heathcote get his figures?[/quote]

I cannot speak for heathcote! Mine are derived from the streets and what I see.

Not a dig at you, I just do not believe any of the BS that they put out. The only thing that any of us can be sure of is that they are persistent liars.

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