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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:06 pm 
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Don't hold your breaths, no doubt some brown packages will change hands.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:31 pm 
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I'm not so sure that it will have a blanket application to the trade.

In the case of Uber, all money goes via the company who subsequently pay the driver and they, therefore, have control.

On many 'nets,' ours for example, the driver pays the company for the work and, as hackney carriages, has control over what he charges, subject to the statutory limits. In other words, the driver is, effectively, a customer of the company.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:35 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/aslam-and-farrar-v-uber-employment-judgment-20161028.pdf


Dont read links - prefer it posted on here :D

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:36 pm 
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cabby john wrote:
captain cab wrote:
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/aslam-and-farrar-v-uber-employment-judgment-20161028.pdf


Dont read links - prefer it posted on here :D


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:53 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/aslam-and-farrar-v-uber-employment-judgment-20161028.pdf

Did they do that page just for Mr Ven? :D

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:55 pm 
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cabbyman wrote:
I'm not so sure that it will have a blanket application to the trade.

In the case of Uber, all money goes via the company who subsequently pay the driver and they, therefore, have control.

On many 'nets,' ours for example, the driver pays the company for the work and, as hackney carriages, has control over what he charges, subject to the statutory limits. In other words, the driver is, effectively, a customer of the company.

This isn't an issue of who get what pay and how, this is an issue of who controls the way you work.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:27 pm 
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In my view it shouldn't be that onerous a proposition for an operator to ensure drivers working on their circuits achieve the minimum wage.

They could deal with holidays by upping the rentals for the rest of the year.

The national insurance issue will cost firms, but isn't that the case with all other normal businesses?

This is where the drivers that do our work will complain. They are all earning well in excess of the living wage. They wont loke being PAYE and having less control of their working week and having to have holidays when allowed instead of just taking them when they want. It may also mean that they have to contribute to a pension scheme that they didn't want as well. My concern is that I may be the only one here who would obey the rules and the others would just ignore things like they so now.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:30 pm 
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My concern is that I may be the only one here who would obey the rules and the others would just ignore things like they so now.


Sadly, I fear that will be echoed around the country.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:48 pm 
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grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
In my view it shouldn't be that onerous a proposition for an operator to ensure drivers working on their circuits achieve the minimum wage.

They could deal with holidays by upping the rentals for the rest of the year.

The national insurance issue will cost firms, but isn't that the case with all other normal businesses?

This is where the drivers that do our work will complain. They are all earning well in excess of the living wage. They wont loke being PAYE and having less control of their working week and having to have holidays when allowed instead of just taking them when they want. It may also mean that they have to contribute to a pension scheme that they didn't want as well. My concern is that I may be the only one here who would obey the rules and the others would just ignore things like they so now.


Idiot WORKER UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE COMPANY ...wtf mentioned PAYE #-o

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:01 pm 
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Interesting fact 40000 driver signed onto Uber 19 yep 19 signed the ET forms OUT OF 40000 FFS

another fact the 2 that fronted up the Case one ASIAN and one IRISHMAN ..................NUFF SAID :lol: :lol: :lol:
DRIVERS WITHIN ADDY LEE HERMES TRISTAR MACH 1 CARS THE KEEN GROUP SWISS COTTAGE CARS BRUNEL CARS AND MANY MANY OTHERS WERE GIVEN THE CHANCE TO GO DOWN THIS ROUTE YEARS AGO .............NON HAD THE BOTTLE .....................THE NTA LTDA LPHCA AND OTHERS DECLINED TO BE INVOLVED AS WELL!

SO HERE WE SEE THE ADVANTAGES ON A UNUIONISED INDUSTRY ANYONE JOINING ?????

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:02 pm 
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Uber control every aspect of the job, from receiving the request from the customer (sale) too the allocation of the job to the driver, they take the money direct from the customers bank account, they police their drivers using a sneaky customer rating system, they hire and fire (if you don't play their game) at will, they price surge based on lack of vehicles, not based on real time demand, they pay the driver a week in arrears, they're creating uber robots with no say/input in anything other than driving the car, they operate without limit of anything causing dilution of potential earnings but benefit hugely from that by raking 25% of every job, theirs nothing they don't control, they don't even take any kind of responsibility for anything connected to the journey, the whole business model is totally morally wrong, the judge got it bang on, it's a case of "Who do you think you are kidding Mr Uber".

Hopefully the drivers who are mostly mercenaries will jump on this opportunity to throw a claim in and give a really big boy a really big slap, hopefully showing all kinds of extreme capitalist's who are thinking of this kind of business model that the wee guy in the street is not just going to sit there and take it.

Their will be implications for most of the private hire industry no doubt but they too have grown way out of control, within the hack trade companies will probably have to look at not bieng seen to be treating their drivers and members as employees, rules, regulations, by-laws, articles of associations will have to be looked over and changed accordingly, drivers must now be seen to have some freedoms regardless.

Interesting times ahead for both trades but I can only see good coming from the bad that is creeping alarmingly throughout our trades.

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I suppose if drivers had a share of the company, and it's profits, then would that stop them being workers?

Or not?

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Private Reggie wrote:
Uber control every aspect of the job, from receiving the request from the customer (sale) too the allocation of the job to the driver, they take the money direct from the customers bank account, they police their drivers using a sneaky customer rating system, they hire and fire (if you don't play their game) at will, they price surge based on lack of vehicles, not based on real time demand, they pay the driver a week in arrears, they're creating uber robots with no say/input in anything other than driving the car, they operate without limit of anything causing dilution of potential earnings but benefit hugely from that by raking 25% of every job, theirs nothing they don't control, they don't even take any kind of responsibility for anything connected to the journey, the whole business model is totally morally wrong, the judge got it bang on, it's a case of "Who do you think you are kidding Mr Uber".

Hopefully the drivers who are mostly mercenaries will jump on this opportunity to throw a claim in and give a really big boy a really big slap, hopefully showing all kinds of extreme capitalist's who are thinking of this kind of business model that the wee guy in the street is not just going to sit there and take it.

Their will be implications for most of the private hire industry no doubt but they too have grown way out of control, within the hack trade companies will probably have to look at not bieng seen to be treating their drivers and members as employees, rules, regulations, by-laws, articles of associations will have to be looked over and changed accordingly, drivers must now be seen to have some freedoms regardless.

Interesting times ahead for both trades but I can only see good coming from the bad that is creeping alarmingly throughout our trades.



good post!

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:10 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
I suppose if drivers had a share of the company, and it's profits, then would that stop them being workers?

Or not?
DEPENDS ON THE AGREEMENT NO DOUBT CANT SEE IT WORKING BECAUSE OF THE HIRING AND FIRING SCENARIO BUT I AINT NO LAWYER :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 10:15 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
I suppose if drivers had a share of the company, and it's profits, then would that stop them being workers?

Or not?

Co-operatives are the way ahead :wink:

Up here both are well established but now are not immune from a wee tweak here and there.

On a lighter note: Are you treating me like an employee boss :shock:

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