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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:37 pm 
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agents for the drivers.


So if a car breaks down going to the airport....and the passengers missed their flight......who is liable....

The agent unless it states otherwise in their terms and conditions. Has anybody read any terms and conditions for PH or taxis?

If a passenger is killed or injured and the car is not insured..who is liable..

Well I would say the operator for not checking the drivers insured, but, they will say it isn't them because all the drivers are self employed and they only act as the agent for the driver

If Uber collect payment from the customer who is the customer paying.

They are paying the driver for services rendered by the driver via an App owned by the operator for which they charge the driver a commission to use.

If Uber turnover more then 100,00 do they need to be VAT registered.

It's not just about turnover it's about how much of that turnover actually belongs to Uber. Money that belongs to the drivers isn't theirs so isn't counted

If you are registered for VAT must you charge it.

Yes

What Country do Uber get paid in.

I haven't a clue to be honest. Do they have accounts in every country or just one account for everything?

what is the VAT rate in that Country or is it here ?

If it is in that country I haven't a clue, but, if it is in this country the V.A.T is 20%

Why do P.H.companies here not charge in the same way.

Because they can't be bothered investing in the technology and I would suspect that they to may well have to pay more V.A.T than they are currently paying as well as other taxes.


Just for debate :roll: :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:54 pm 
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MR T wrote:
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agents for the drivers.


So if a car breaks down going to the airport....and the passengers missed their flight......who is liable....

If a passenger is killed or injured and the car is not insured..who is liable..

If Uber collect payment from the customer who is the customer paying.

If Uber turnover more then 100,00 do they need to be VAT registered.

If you are registered for VAT must you charge it.

What Country do Uber get paid in.

what is the VAT rate in that Country or is it here ?

Why do P.H.companies here not charge in the same way.


Just for debate :roll: :roll:

I thought I said...VAT

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 5:00 pm 
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MR T wrote:
MR T wrote:
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agents for the drivers.


So if a car breaks down going to the airport....and the passengers missed their flight......who is liable....

If a passenger is killed or injured and the car is not insured..who is liable..

If Uber collect payment from the customer who is the customer paying.

If Uber turnover more then 100,00 do they need to be VAT registered.

If you are registered for VAT must you charge it.

What Country do Uber get paid in.

what is the VAT rate in that Country or is it here ?

Why do P.H.companies here not charge in the same way.


Just for debate :roll: :roll:

I thought I said...VAT



YES but Is it the drivers or Uber liable for vat until the courts decide we don't know

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:03 pm 
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Who receives the payment from the customer? Uber pays the drivers

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 6:26 pm 
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YES but Is it the drivers or Uber liable for vat until the courts decide we don't know

The driver is unlikely to be registered for VAT so they can't charge it.

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Uber take the money and take a cut.

IMO they are liable for 100% of the VAT from 100% of the fare.

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Uber take the money and take a cut.

IMO they are liable for 100% of the VAT from 100% of the fare.

I am not sure about that but I know that on our school contracts I add VAT to the full price and pay the full VAT to the VAT man just to be on the safe side.

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Sussex wrote:
Uber take the money and take a cut.

IMO they are liable for 100% of the VAT from 100% of the fare.


I agree

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The reason that I say that I am unsure is because a mate of mine runs a company with a turnover of around £500,000. Because they only get 10% of the fares and the drivers get the rest even though the company takes all the payments, their accountant says they are acting as an agent and don't need to be VAT registered because their cut is below the VAT threshold.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:36 pm 
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The reason that I say that I am unsure is because a mate of mine runs a company with a turnover of around £500,000. Because they only get 10% of the fares and the drivers get the rest even though the company takes all the payments, their accountant says they are acting as an agent and don't need to be VAT registered because their cut is below the VAT threshold.


there's court cases saying the contrary - we were told by our accountant that it is based on who the contract is with - we wanted to do as your friend did.

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what we see is drivers actually earning good money because the system means that they are very well utilised.”


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 6:22 am 
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The reason that I say that I am unsure is because a mate of mine runs a company with a turnover of around £500,000. Because they only get 10% of the fares and the drivers get the rest even though the company takes all the payments, their accountant says they are acting as an agent and don't need to be VAT registered because their cut is below the VAT threshold.


there's court cases saying the contrary - we were told by our accountant that it is based on who the contract is with - we wanted to do as your friend did.

I said to him that I thought he was on dodgy ground but he insists that his accountant says it is ok so I left it at that.

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This is an interesting judgement which deals with account work and cash work for drivers operating on a split bag basis.

http://www.bailii.org/uk/cases/UKFTT/TC ... 00671.html

The firm agreed, and, it would appear, always paid VAT on account work, but they appealed the decision that they were liable for VAT on cash work.

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Another Judgement giving the court's view re VAT and the trade.

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=11072

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 30, 2017 5:01 pm 
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Those 2 judgements seem to contradict each other. It seems clear that as far as the judges were concerned, account work is always as a principal but one has cash work as an agent and the other as principal.
How confusing.

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