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F.A.O Shirlebutt, J.D. and anyone else interested!


As I am a new member to this site I am not quite sure what the general procedure so I shall just go for it and say what I feel!

After I had read all of the posts which refer to the Trafford Court Case I now wish to tell you all how amazed I am at the possible outcome of Thursdays meeting which JD seems to be under the impression is a sure bet! How on Earth could the Council for want of a better word justify granting 5 licences to one person when there are people who have been on the "waiting list" for a number of years? There are some cabbies out there who have been waiting for many years just for 1 licence let alone 5. So I would imagine that there would be absolute uproar if this were to go ahead! Surely all of the people on the waiting list have exactly the same prority as each other and the licences should be granted on a first come first served basis or else what is the point of having a waiting list in the first place?

I do not know either of yourselves but I would agree with Shirlebutt as to her reference towards JD's personal comments!

I would like to ask however where JD gets his info from as he seems to know everything before anybody else in Trafford does!!!! By the way it is nice to know that the value of my Plate has suddenly risen as if by magic to 35 Grand, its like winning the lottery without having to buy a ticket. There is currently one on the market and has been for the past 6mths which includes an 18mth old TX2 for approx 42 Grand o.n.o. So are you telling me that an 18mth old TX2 is only worth 7 Grand! Don't think so, do you? Better run to Mann & Overton quick!!

I suspect he gets his info from the court. There the judge, in so many words, told Trafford to issue those plates. There the council's barrister said they had no evidence to put before the court, other than a lying 4/5 year old survey.

If/was that the truth, well tommorrow we will find out.

But if that council, as any council, has no evidence of no SUD, then they are in breach of the law if they refuse an application from a fit and proper person.

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I wasn't aware there ever was a battle taking place, who are the two warring factions, you and who else?

It might help if you got your facts straight before you start pontificating about battles not being won. No doubt you are referring to Trafford and the applicant for five licenses? I'm afraid when you posted your above comments on the 28th October the battle for five plates had already been won on the 13th October. So I'm afraid you were a little out of touch with events in your own back yard miss Butt.

I suppose now you know that "Trafford did think they were above the law" and when faced with the very same law they tried to circumvent they capitulated. They learnt a valuable lesson and I am sure they won't make that particular mistake again Butt we shall see?

If you prefer second hand information to the up to date information we supply on TDO then I suggest you wait for the publications of Taxitalk and Private Hire Monthly because on TDO we operate a little differently. Perhaps In future you won't be so hasty in denouncing the value of that information, even though it might come from your own back yard.

JD

I expect you can obviously show me where I said, "plate holders" in my follow up? Butt what if you can't? Would that be another item you got wrong?

Perhaps there is more to you and the Sefton Clown than meets the eye? You haven't so far displayed any particular knowledge of the Trafford Taxi trade apart from what has been written in a council letter? I just wonder about you Shirley?

Did you post this?



Well it would seem you certainly know what you are talking about Shirley but why the reference to "Feel better now, no hard feelings". Where you implying I had got something wrong and you had got something right? Or were you just being a little patronising?

I particular like your "insistence that the judge can only recommend" did this come straight out of the Shirley Butt book of administrative law? It is know doubt gratifying to read the solicitor for Trafford Mr Ian Veitch got it absolutely right and you got it absolutely wrong. Mr Veitch wrote, The Judge "directed" that the matter be referred back to the Public Protection Regulatory Committee to consider the grant of the five Hackney Carriage Vehicle licences in accordance with established criteria.

I take it you do understand what the Judge meant when he directed Trafford to go back and consider the grant of five licenses?

Can we now be assured that you now know a little more about the law than you perhaps do about the Trafford Taxi trade? I also suspect you won't now be advising your colleagues that a judge can only recommend? Perhaps you and the Sefton Clown should meet up, you seem to have a great deal in common.



I never said you said that Shirley? If you read the post again it is obvious to everyone else on here that I never said you said that. What I did say is as follows.

From your comments it would "appear" you are saying the applicant didn't get his five licenses, where you get that information from I don't know? It can't be in the letter you received from the council so it must be an idea of your own making.

I specifically said, From your comments it "would appear" you are saying the applicant didn't get his five licences You do understand what appear means don't you?

You did state this did you not?



And this



Anyone reading those comments would no doubt get the impression you doubted that the five licenses had "already" been granted in court? That was the impression you wished to convey wasn't it?

I take it you now have a problem with the queens English by the very fact you can't differentiate between something that might appear to be the case as against something that is the case?

It would appear you don't know the difference between something I suggest "might" be in your mind as against a categorical insistence that I explicitly said you stated it was in your mind?

I shall state it again just for your benefit.

From your comments it would "appear" you are saying the applicant didn't get his five licenses, where you get that information from I don't know? It can't be in the letter you received from the council, "so it must be an idea of your own making".



So now you say you consulted an official, how convenient? You then decide to come on TDO and state authoritatively that a judge can only recommend? Is that the sole basis of your argumentative points that you were lead by a third party who doesn't know their azz from their elbow and you were daft enough to put their comments into an authoritative statement on this forum? Are you now wiser from the fact that "you and he" got it completely wrong?



I have my doubts that you are even in Trafford Shirley, otherwise you would know who bought one of the last cab and plates to be sold in Trafford, it was quite unique but I suspect you don't know what the uniqueness is?

I know what it went for and so do most others in Trafford but I doubt that you know? You don't have to tell me the price it went for Shirley just the person it was sold to? If you can tell me I might give you a little credence but if you can't then I will know your full of chit.



Meaning you didn't have a clue about the Trafford report until I posted it. You're full of chit Shirley and like I said I think there is more to you than meets the eye.



I try to keep my comments to fact and what the law states Shirley, you and your like can look after the so-called Taxi trade. That is as long as the Trade doesn't impeach on the rights of every individual who doesn't happen to subscribe to what the trade has to offer.

You should remember that the Taxi trade is made up of individuals, those individuals have rights under the law, you have just experienced one such individual exercising that right in the face of adversity. You would do well to remember that the trade does not have a legal right to say who is granted a license.

JD

Its amazing how you guys come out of the woodwork?

I'll ask you the same question I asked Shirlee Butt. Tell me what was so unique about a certain plate that changed hands a few month ago in Trafford and you might convince me you actually work in there?

It is also amazing how all these new subscribers who know sweet FA about forums always seem to instantly grasp how the emoticons work, in their first post?



Are you for real? Whats so amazing about a man getting a Taxi license? One man in Dundee got over 70. Five is a drop in the ocean your lucky he didn't applied for more.



How do you know how many people are on a waiting list and how do you know Trafford even has a waiting list. I bet you havent got a clue when Trafford last issued licenses? I suppose your farming for information as to why a certain court case didn't aply in Trafford. Well my friend you are going to have to find that information yourself because the Sefton Clown was wondering the same thing. I think you better go and ask Mr Cummins or Trevor Jones, or even Wayne Casey? They all occasionaly write for a Taxi magazine I'm sure they will furnish you with a more than adequet reason.



Perhaps if you get of your backside and concentrated on things that effect you personaly instead of picking my brains you might be in a better position to know what time of day it is in Trafford?



Answer the question I asked Shirley matey if you can't then we'll know just what your about?

JD

J.D.

Well what a barage of abuse, I do not have to prove myself to such likes as you, as for not being in Trafford, oh yes I am and have been a licensed plate holder for 14 years. With reference to the last plate which was TRANSFERRED I have no intention of placing anyone elses name on this site for all and sundry to see, but it went to someone in the garage trade, and are you saying that when someone is in hospital that is UNIQUE. I could if I wished also tell you the last amounts for several transfers. How about one in May of this year which went with a V. REG METRO WITH NO MITIGATION AND NO UNIQUENESS ATTACHED.

After such a long posting you still failed to answer where you got the figure of 35 grand from, and I also note that you have not answered the question of "TRAFFORD VOICE". I stated that the letter had gone out to 800 approx BADGE HOLDERS, YOU REPLIED "IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TRAFFORD STATED IN A LETTER TO ALL OWNERS". As for advising my colleagues, I don't, what I do is discuss and listen to their opinions in a proper manner without being rude. I am quite well aware that the Trade do not have a legal right to say who is or who is not granted a license. And yes you are quite right I did learn something from coming onto this site, which I will not deny and I passed your information onto many other TRAFFORD INTERESTED PARTIES, I have no problem with admitting that and also learning from other people such as yourself, what I do have a problem with is the manner you use.

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I didn't ask you to supply a name did I? I said what was so unique about it and it is obvious you can't answer that question. Wheres the Boundary on Hale road and whats so unique about it?

JD

And I stated.

It doesn't matter what Trafford stated in a letter to all owners about future policy, the fact of the matter is that they threw in the towel on the 13th October.

Are you sugesting all owners did not recieve the letter or that I should have for reasons only known to yourself mentioned the letter went out to Approx 800 other badge holders. What about the owners who don't have a badge? How many of them do you know?

If I meant to include all badge owners I would have said so. As it is I specificaly commented on "OWNERS" you of course being one, so you say?

We do have a privacy policy on TDO but you are quite at liberty to give out your plate number if you so desire?

JD

J.D.

I have answered the question, the last plate transferred was owned by someone who was in hospital at the time and went to a person in the garage trade.


What is the point in these games, especially when they are coming from someone who hides behind initials. Why on earth would i want to give out my plate number? Why do I have to prove I am from Trafford? Where are you from? The boundary on Hale Road, Hale Barns. is on the right hand side after the speed camera near what is now know as "The Marriot" previously "Four Seasons" Its a bit like"Trivial Pursuit" this game do I now get a piece of pie? HERES ONE FOR YOU, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE CHAIRMAN OF THE T.T.O.A.D.A. WHAT IS UNIQUE ABOUT ALTRINCHAM RANK.
IF YOU DO NOT KNOW, I WILL BE ONLY TOO HAPPY TO PROVIDE YOU WITH INFO.

Firstly I would appreciate it if you would not try to insult my inteligence as you have been doing to Shirlebutt!

Secondly why cant you just simply answer a question instead of just responding to it with a further question of your own?

Thirdly I do not have to prove to yourself or anyone else as to whether or not I come from Trafford but just to pacify you I will now answer each one of your questions in turn and I expect you to show me the same courtesy!

I get the impression that you are obviously a great believer in the best form of deffence is attack!

Q.1. [I'll ask you the same question I asked Shirlee Butt. Tell me what was so unique about a certain plate that changed hands a few month ago in Trafford ]

Well seen as Shirlebutt has answered that question herself there is no real point in me repeating it now is there? But I would like to add that one of the last plates to be transferred the previous owner was disabled!

Q.2. [It is also amazing how all these new subscribers who know sweet FA about forums always seem to instantly grasp how the emoticons work, in their first post?]

When you are quite computer Literate it is not hard to click on a smiley face even children can do it! And where did I say I knew sweet FA about forums all I said was I was new to this one!

Q.3. [Are you for real? Whats so amazing about a man getting a Taxi license? One man in Dundee got over 70. Five is a drop in the ocean your lucky he didn't applied for more.]

Where did I say it was so amazing for a man to get a Licence? What I did say was that I would be amazed if one man can get 5 Licences when others who have been waiting for years can not get 1.

Q.4. [How do you know how many people are on a waiting list and how do you know Trafford even has a waiting list.]

I know about the waiting list correct name LIST OF INTEREST because everbody in Trafford knows about it and I also know it is renewed every August.

Q.5. [I bet you havent got a clue when Trafford last issued licenses? ]

For your information the last Licence to be issued by Trafford was in approx 1980 not sure of exact date but was also surrounded by much Mitigation. And as there are only 103 Licensed Hackney Plates in Trafford it is not hard to guess the Plate Number!

Q.6. [Perhaps if you get of your backside and concentrated on things that effect you personaly instead of picking my brains you might be in a better position to know what time of day it is in Trafford?]

Seen as i work in Trafford and am a Licensed Plate holder obviously they do affect me personally! And the correct time of day in Trafford at this moment is 14.24pm

NOW IT IS YOUR TURN WHERE ON EARTH DID YOU GET THE FIGURE OF 35 GRAND FROM AND WHY DO YOU KEEP AVOIDING THE QUESTION?

WHERE DO YOU GET ALL OF YOUR INFORMATION FROM?

DO YOU WORK IN TRAFFORD!

Well obviously Shirley butt hasn't answered the question and neither have you, its amazing that something that has been the talk of the ranks for weeks now, you know nothing at all about? If you work in Trafford you will know what it is, if you don't then you won't its as simple as that?



When I said the following I was speaking in General terms, however that did include you.

It is also amazing how all these new subscribers who know sweet FA about forums always seem to instantly grasp how the emoticons work, in their first post?

For your beneifit you never said you were new to forums, what you did say was " As I am a new member to this site I am not quite sure what the general procedure is" I assumed you were new to all forums considering you were new to this one but thank you for letting us know you are not brand new to forums so what Taxi forums are you not new to? That should be interesting?



Heres what you said.



So what are you actually amazed about? If its not one man getting five licenses.



Well actually its a register of interest but it means nothing because there is no criteria set as to how plates would be issued. Just because you register an interest it would be wrong to assume the first person on the list will get a plate. You are right the register is updated every August but you could have found that out quite easily.



lol I'll tell you something, I have forgot when trafford last issued licenses but it is glad to see you got off your azz and made an effort to inform me. Even though I will have to check you out for accuracy? I did actually post those details on here several months ago you didn't read my post did you?



You haven't convinced me yet that you work in Trafford but then again I'm a born sceptic. Who had a garage on Ayres road? Answer that and I might believe you?



Your'e fishing for something? The figure was 22 grand not so long ago until Trafford said they were keeping their policy of restriction. It then went up to 35k. Now I know one was sold for exatly that amount only a couple of months ago and it was soooooooooo unique, I am surprised you cant tell me what that uniqueness is?

Answer the question about Ayres Road or go and ask your buddies on the other forums you frequent for that information if you don't know it. I'm sure they will oblige you.



Whats it got to do with you? All you have to concern yourself about is if the information that comes from my keyboard is correct or fictional? You can make your own mind up about that. Perhaps you care to rely on Shirley butts brand of information and the official she confides in who gives her all the legal information regarding our judiciary and the powers they have?

I hope you don't find my comments too hostile they aren't meant to be.

Regards

JD

As JD says, one applicant in Dundee managed to jump the queue to get 70 plates using much the same procedure. Weren't there 500 on the waiting list?

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Dear J.D.

Can I answer your question, It was M&M Motors, Trevor Mc Guire and Tony Mann, the garage was under compulsory purchase, Tony retired and Trevor is now on Moss Road, Stretford with his son Gary who is a fantastic body and spray mechanic. Young Gary as we used to call him has now set up on his own on Cross St, Sale. I was a customer of theirs for many, many years.

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S.B.

I'm impressed. lol yet i'm still surprised you don't know about the plate I was talking about but I am impressed. Do you know Traffordvoice personally?

Regards

JD

JD, according to someone living nearer to you than me, you are in for a large windfall when the newly issued plates are sold.

Maybe you could pass a few quid in this direction.

But back to the real world for a sec, how sad is it that some folk can't get their biased minds around the fact that there are a few people out here who are only too pleased to help other folk for sweet f*** all.

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