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PostPosted: Sun Dec 21, 2003 6:40 pm 
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Finally we should consider your approach to driver groups, unions or associations. You detail events where such bodies make an attempt to effect beneficial change for their membership but you fail to point out the issues put forward by each licensing authority as to why such groups demands were not implemented, as it seems you are implying that the representatives of such groups failed to carry the wishes of their membership into the consultation process. You also fail to take into account all of the successful applications such groups achieve, but as that fails to back up your obvious hatred you shy away from them.


You can consider what you wish.

As for unions other than the T&G, I think in the main they are just fine and dandy.

But even if I didn't, are you saying I should just sit back and say nothing if I believe something is wrong. I think being in YOUR union has effected you.

I very much look forward to seeing any unions good work on any taxi site, instead of their own rags. Then we can all discuss the rights and wrongs. Alas the T&G's hierarchy, don't like it up em on any of the taxi sites.

Perhaps we would get more out of them if all the taxi sites, suddenly became Bus sites.

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WRONG SUSSEX

there is inshrined in legislation the requirement to consult.

I aggree with the guest entirely and am very sorry to see you twisting his words!

you aint prosecuting in court today Sussex you are out of order

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Been drinking Wharfy?

I haven't the faintest clue what you are on about. Where did I say you didn't need to consult?

Funny thing is that I thought you were anti EU, and it's EU law that makes councils consult. :wink:

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Goodness me, we have more mirrors and twists than a nightclub on this topic.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:36 am 
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Sussex Man wrote-
"So are you saying that anyone new to the HC trade has to work the hours that you decide they do. Isn't that what you have been campaigning against?"

Then later he said-
"You didn't, I did.
I asked if you are saying, not that I'm saying that you are saying."


Confusing to say the very least.


Confusing yes, but also accurate.


Good God, what ethic. Confusion can never be considered accurate your statement is again completely in-accurate.

But that is your gameplan, and allways has been. Through confusion you can get people to agree with you as they don't truly understand what you are trying to say, or the selfish motives you are trying to achieve.

You can continue to berate the T&G, the NTA and all of the TOA's in Scotland if you so wish as you are of no consequence. Your opinion, to which you are obviously entitled, luckily is not shared by the majority of drivers who truly care for this trade and that is why Nationally membership of such groups is increasing every day. Strangely you seem to support the NPHA who are about as effective, when it comes to drivers, as a chocolate fireguard. Speaks volumes to me mate, and very possibly most of the contributers to this site.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 1:54 am 
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As for unions other than the T&G, I think in the main they are just fine and dandy.


I very much look forward to seeing any unions good work on any taxi site, instead of their own rags. Then we can all discuss the rights and wrongs. Alas the T&G's hierarchy, don't like it up em on any of the taxi sites.

Perhaps we would get more out of them if all the taxi sites, suddenly became Bus sites.



This I find wholey amusing.

Why should one group be singled out, why so much hatred toward the T&G, could it be because by protecting their members they are capable of ensuring you will never have the H/C plate or work right you crave so badly without following due process.

Then in true SM style a contradiction. How or why could we discuss the rights and wrongs of anyone's GOOD WORK, I quote "I very much look forward to seeing any unions good work on any taxi site, instead of their own rags. Then we can all discuss the rights and wrongs."

Lastly, and hopefully finally can I just expalin that the CAB SECTION of the T&G works completely independantly to the union when it comes to forming exact policies, sure they follow the union ethic but the T&G wave no big stick to ensure that the CAB SECTION conforms to any other buisiness or union section. Everyone who claims this does so with complete ignorance, and maybe they should furnish themselves with true facts before making such allegations.


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This I find wholey amusing.

Why should one group be singled out, why so much hatred toward the T&G, could it be because by protecting their members they are capable of ensuring you will never have the H/C plate or work right you crave so badly without following due process.


Because the one is [edited by admin], and the others aren't. Quite clear really.

If you think the T&G is going to be able to stop me getting my plate for nothing, then you, as often they are, wrong yet again.

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Then in true SM style a contradiction. How or why could we discuss the rights and wrongs of anyone's GOOD WORK, I quote "I very much look forward to seeing any unions good work on any taxi site, instead of their own rags. Then we can all discuss the rights and wrongs."


Well I'm not sure about contradicting my views, and may I say it's a bit rich coming from you.

However my views on the T&G have been the same for many a good year, the others have their faults, but in the main they are a honest bunch.

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Lastly, and hopefully finally can I just expalin that the CAB SECTION of the T&G works completely independantly to the union when it comes to forming exact policies, sure they follow the union ethic but the T&G wave no big stick to ensure that the CAB SECTION conforms to any other buisiness or union section. Everyone who claims this does so with complete ignorance, and maybe they should furnish themselves with true facts before making such allegations.


So how many miles has Mr Kavanagh driven in a cab, or for that matter a PH?

00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 10:52 am 
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[Because the one is [edited by admin], and the others aren't. Quite clear really.


Not clear at all actually SM. What is clear however is that by reorting to schoolyard reactions you have absolutely NO evidence that the T&G have acted inproperly in any way whatsoever.


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Well I'm not sure about contradicting my views, and may I say it's a bit rich coming from you.

However my views on the T&G have been the same for many a good year, the others have their faults, but in the main they are a honest bunch.


Your contradictions are obvious SM and I would like an explaination as to when I have contradicted my stance in any way whatsoever.

Your obvious hatred of the T&G has been held for many years but it doesn't seem to have any real basis, you fail to explain and thats why you fail to be understood.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 11:10 am 
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[So how many miles has Mr Kavanagh driven in a cab, or for that matter a PH?

00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000


In the real world people get positions because they are deemed to be the best person for the job.
I don't understand what your problem is, I agree with everything the T&G have said about this report so do a signifigant ammount of others, so much so in fact that Cab Section membership has risen more sharply than ever before.

You really do need to get a grip otherwise you will be unable to debate issues properly because of the hatred you feel against a group of people fighting for some beneficial changes not delivered by the OFT report. Hopefully the T&G will be able to lobby government enough to offer them more far reaching alternatives than the completely in-effective OFT report.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 22, 2003 5:05 pm 
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WRONG SUSSEX

there is inshrined in legislation the requirement to consult.

I aggree with the guest entirely and am very sorry to see you twisting his words!

you aint prosecuting in court today Sussex you are out of order

Wharfie


Been drinking Wharfy?

I haven't the faintest clue what you are on about. Where did I say you didn't need to consult?

Funny thing is that I thought you were anti EU, and it's EU law that makes councils consult. :wink:



bollox Sussex

the British parlamentary system has always had consultation built in

kin ell and some call you a lawyer!

still its enough for one of them!


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Not clear at all actually SM. What is clear however is that by reorting to schoolyard reactions you have absolutely NO evidence that the T&G have acted inproperly in any way whatsoever.


Now who's twisting. :?

Please point out to me exactly where I said the T&G was/is acting improperly.

There is a huge difference between acting stupidly and unfairly, and acting improperly. You might not be able to work it out, but please take it from me, there is.

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Your obvious hatred of the T&G has been held for many years but it doesn't seem to have any real basis, you fail to explain and thats why you fail to be understood.


Well Mr Guest, as TDO has many Mr Guests, that really shouldn't be a problem.

But a history of saying that people shouldn't get plates for nothing, and then asking for a saloon plate from your council, whilst your colleagues (and perhaps fellow T&G members) have to buy WAVs, to me stinks of hypocrisy.

But clearly not to you.

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In the real world people get positions because they are deemed to be the best person for the job.
I don't understand what your problem is, I agree with everything the T&G have said about this report so do a signifigant ammount of others, so much so in fact that Cab Section membership has risen more sharply than ever before.


I think you need to read a little bit about union/social history.

When people feel the need for a union i.e the OFT Report, they join a union that they think, or they are misled into thinking, will fight the supposed good cause.

Guess what, when they finally realise that they have been sold down the river, the membership dwindles.

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