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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 9:46 pm 
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Mr Cgull could you please explain how a union stopped you from getting a station permit.

The reason I ask is that the "free and open access policy" would allow you to gain access to the station without the need for a permit.

I don't understand why people can't give more information when posting, particularly when a thread develops around the inactivities of a certain group.


Noone has ever called me mister before so i cant do anything but answer out of gratuaty.
Where i work and my computer name should give it away we have a very busy mainline station. Once upon a time the station permit where given to any taxi driver that paid the fee.
Recently two towns became one. to stop the other towns taxis flooding the busy station two unions represetatives the t&g and another one the npptttu went to the station people and asked and got them to limit the number of station passes. although I had had one in the past i was not allowed a new one because the limit didnt include me.
So with the other towns taxis i'm not allowed to pick up in my own area becuase of those two unions.
And it stinks.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 10:27 pm 
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Anonymous wrote:
Mr Cgull could you please explain how a union stopped you from getting a station permit.

The reason I ask is that the "free and open access policy" would allow you to gain access to the station without the need for a permit.

I don't understand why people can't give more information when posting, particularly when a thread develops around the inactivities of a certain group.


Noone has ever called me mister before so i cant do anything but answer out of gratuaty.
Where i work and my computer name should give it away we have a very busy mainline station. Once upon a time the station permit where given to any taxi driver that paid the fee.
Recently two towns became one. to stop the other towns taxis flooding the busy station two unions represetatives the t&g and another one the npptttu went to the station people and asked and got them to limit the number of station passes. although I had had one in the past i was not allowed a new one because the limit didnt include me.
So with the other towns taxis i'm not allowed to pick up in my own area becuase of those two unions.
And it stinks.


Appauling Mr Cgull absolutely appauling.

The T&G has a general policy of "free and open access" this allows holders of a H/C license to work without having to make payments to carry out their right to ply for hire.

I also worry about the "unions" activity in not allowing you access to a permit primerily as you'd previously held one but more importantly as you are so obviously entitled to work from any area of public access within your own licensing area.

I have a rough idea which area you are from and will make some further enquiries as this kind of activity gives all other union/association branches a bed name, giving angey hateful people like SM ammunition to drivers forming powerful groups to combat the insane activities of him and his like

I would also suggest that this union branch has a "old school" mentality which has no place in a modern union.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 23, 2003 11:19 pm 
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SM your hatred for me and the T&G is well known, so to claim some of the statements you have rewcently made are untrue is total bollocks. The Guests who have commented on your conduct are well founded in their requests but your responses will never ever be heard on here as basically you are a self centred [edited by admin].


And a merry Xmas to you too.

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I couldn't agree more. :shock:

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One of my ex's always used to call me a self-centred [edited by admin] (still does in fact). Perhaps it's the name Andy?

I always looked upon it as a term of endearment.

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One of my ex's always used to call me a self-centred [edited by admin] (still does in fact). Perhaps it's the name Andy?

I always looked upon it as a term of endearment.


Apparently no-one loves SM anyway.

And if you ask some people they would probably suspect SM isn't called Andy either.

Hey Ho, serious debate must be a thing of the past.


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I think this thread is waiting with baited breath on the outcome of Mick's investigation.

Will he find out what I did many moons ago? That most join or run their local T&G, for the benefit of the few, at the detriment of the many.

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And if you ask some people they would probably suspect SM isn't called Andy either.


Blimey, the next thing your be saying is that Dusty isn't a bin !!!
Wharfie isn't a big hairy dog with big teeth !!!
Tom Thumb isn't 6 inches tall !!!
Other Andy's surname isn't 7 !!!
Paddington Bill isn't a London Poll Tax demand !!!
Captain Cab has never been in the Armed Forces !!!
Villager lives in a City !!!
Scanner isn't a white thing that photo-copies !!!
Cgull isn't a bird !!!
The dozens of Mr Guests aren't all brothers !!!

Oh, and Mick is a taxi driver. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 27, 2003 10:38 pm 
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Appauling Mr Cgull absolutely appauling.

The T&G has a general policy of "free and open access" this allows holders of a H/C license to work without having to make payments to carry out their right to ply for hire.


Couldnt agree with you more.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 29, 2003 2:57 am 
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Appauling Mr Cgull absolutely appauling.

The T&G has a general policy of "free and open access" this allows holders of a H/C license to work without having to make payments to carry out their right to ply for hire.


Couldnt agree with you more.


I have made some enquiries with the Branch concerned and my Regional Office. When the Branch respond I will contact my Regional Office for comment.

I suspect that this was probably "sorted" at branch level without the knowlege of their Regional Office, if so the people concerned will be asked some very searching questions the answers to which I will post on here.

It sickens me that a whole groups GOOD WORK can be undone by a group of self serving idiots, if their actions are proven and no action is taken my membership could well be questioned.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 5:06 am 
I got a response today from the chairman of Cgulls local branch of the T&G today.

I quote- "When ********&****became a city, the cabs became all the same rather than zoned.

Several ******** drivers (not the T&G) appealed to the Station people to limit the amount of permits for fear of **** drivers swamping it.

The Station agreed & created a waiting list for the **** or any cabs without permits, including any new plates issued.

As you know T&G policy nationwide is for free & open access however our branch voted to pay a fee & to keep this waiting list (for now,T&G opposed new plate issue btw).

One of my mates received his new plate & bleated to me about his lack of station access.

I told him to join the union, recruit all the like minded, non permit drivers & change the local policy to free & open access if he felt that strongly about it. Im still waiting for his completed membership form!

As chairman, Ive got to go with what the members want mate."



I would still like to know why, after holding a permit, you were unable to renew it, but the response clearly shows the T&G policy of FREE and OPEN access, in this case however it appears that the local branch members voted to support the permits ("for the time being"). As the chairman pointed out his personal opinion doesn't count when the majority vote to form local policy the Branch adopts the members wishes.
I have also spoke to other Branches and they would do exactly the same in the same situation, a view which the Cab Section of the T&G would wholeheartedly support.

If you would care to furnish me with more info I could dig a little deeper, or you could just get in touch with your local Branch Chairman and see what exactly the branch is doing to support the Unions National Policy of Free and Open Access.


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So a T&G National policy, is only a policy if the local lads want to accept it?

Hypocrisy of the highest. :(

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So a T&G National policy, is only a policy if the local lads want to accept it?

Hypocrisy of the highest. :(


I think you might find that it proves that the Unions National Policy CAN be changed locally if the members of any branch vote for a specific stance on any particular issue.
It also proves the flexibility of the Cab Section to deliver the wishes of the members locally while promoting wider issues Nationally.

Hypocracy, well if thats what you call it, I tend to call it democracy.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2003 7:46 pm 
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I got a response today from the chairman of Cgulls local branch of the T&G today.

I quote- "When ********&****became a city, the cabs became all the same rather than zoned.

Several ******** drivers (not the T&G) appealed to the Station people to limit the amount of permits for fear of **** drivers swamping it.

The Station agreed & created a waiting list for the **** or any cabs without permits, including any new plates issued.

As you know T&G policy nationwide is for free & open access however our branch voted to pay a fee & to keep this waiting list (for now,T&G opposed new plate issue btw).

One of my mates received his new plate & bleated to me about his lack of station access.

I told him to join the union, recruit all the like minded, non permit drivers & change the local policy to free & open access if he felt that strongly about it. Im still waiting for his completed membership form!

As chairman, Ive got to go with what the members want mate."



I would still like to know why, after holding a permit, you were unable to renew it, but the response clearly shows the T&G policy of FREE and OPEN access, in this case however it appears that the local branch members voted to support the permits ("for the time being"). As the chairman pointed out his personal opinion doesn't count when the majority vote to form local policy the Branch adopts the members wishes.
I have also spoke to other Branches and they would do exactly the same in the same situation, a view which the Cab Section of the T&G would wholeheartedly support.

If you would care to furnish me with more info I could dig a little deeper, or you could just get in touch with your local Branch Chairman and see what exactly the branch is doing to support the Unions National Policy of Free and Open Access.


Thanks for takeng the time to look this up.
I gave my permit up beacuse i was in hospital when they started the permit system. When I came out nooner gave a dam perhaps they thought i was dead.
But if the t&gwu has a free and open policy why dont they get there members to have a free and open policy.
It a bit daft having a policy which discriminates against me when im just doing my job. If taxibank was stopping me the world would hate them. But as its my fellow taxi drivers noone cares.
I will leave you out of the last sentanve but you know what i mean.
thanks


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